My Crunchy Zen Era

The One About Bigfoot (He Doesn't Believe In You Either)

• Nicole Swisher • Episode 15

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What do you get when believers, skeptics, and the cryptid-curious pack into a Bigfoot conference in Gatlinburg?

Midnight sightings. Missing time on desert roads. Portal theories. Skinwalker stories. And... way too much nacho cheese.

We spent a full day deep in the world of cryptids, fringe science, and seriously committed merch tables—and came back with the stories that stuck.

In this episode:

  • Eyewitness accounts vs. expert panels
  • Portal theories, EMF spikes & busted camera traps
  • Skinwalkers, lost time, and Navajo Ranger testimony
  • Bigfoot: shy, territorial... or something stranger?
  • A surprising Mothman theory (with receipts)
  • And why mystery still pulls us in

Plus: between the cryptids, we talk quitting caffeine, how silence can reset your brain, a new migraine med that actually helps, and what we’d change to make paranormal conferences better (hint: more Q&A, less gatekeeping).

If you’ve ever held belief and doubt in the same breath—this one's for you.

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SPEAKER_04:

What's something crunchier then that you've done lately?

SPEAKER_03:

Going for our summer. So I stopped drinking caffeine. You know, probably a couple months ago. And it sounds crazy, but I highly recommend it. Okay. Are you awake? It's kind of crazy because you stop relying on the on the caffeine for energy. Yeah. And then I think your body just produces more energy. So I feel more energized now than I did when I was drinking like three to four cups of coffee a day.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, you've been drinking a ton of coffee since I've known you.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

What about you, Marianna?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh I've been doing this weird thing where I've been trying to not do anything or like have anything on in the background. Like not meditating, not like any sort of intentional anything, just like sitting there being a person, just like what they must have done in the olden days.

SPEAKER_04:

Like just silence. That's nice though. It's peaceful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I've just been finding peace.

SPEAKER_03:

That is like that is the most like Zen Crunchy era thing I've ever heard. Like this whole podcast.

unknown:

Like, what?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Just na just just because I have to.

SPEAKER_04:

Welcome to my Crunchy Zen era. This is a weekly podcast filled with a little fun, a little humor, and a whole lot of curiosity. I'm your host, Nicole Swisher. And this week we are joined by two folks: Summer Harcup, my lovely producer, all around great gal, and welcome back, Marianna Barksdale, known and loved by the podcast. And this week is kind of exciting because we're talking something pretty special. Summer, what's our opening question?

SPEAKER_03:

So our opening question is if there was a mythical creature that doesn't exist but should exist, what creature should that be? And why?

SPEAKER_04:

I mean, I was thinking about this and I would love for there to be dragons as long as you can ride them, like in Game of Thrones. Are they kind of like like pet dragons? Yeah, except they're more like you're bonded and they can understand you, I guess, and you can be like a dragon rider. I think that'd be pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01:

Like like in the fourth wing?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, which I have not read, but yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Like in the romance series, The Fourth Wing, where all of the people are bonded to dragon riders. Were they dragon riders?

SPEAKER_04:

There are so many books and shows where that's the case.

SPEAKER_01:

It's so true. But I just read The Fourth Wing, so it's fresh on my mind. So obviously that's the one I go to. But yes, I'll I'll I'm like, I want Nicole's answer because that was perfect. But also, my new answer is egg tooth ghost.

SPEAKER_03:

Eggtooth ghost. You've had that on your chair since we got here.

SPEAKER_04:

What is that?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04:

Can you describe it for our audience who's listening?

SPEAKER_01:

It looks like an egg, a tooth, and a ghost if you mush them all together into one thing.

SPEAKER_03:

Also, it's a stuffed animal she's holding up.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, it's a stuffed animal that I'm holding up.

SPEAKER_03:

So where did you get that? And who gave it to you?

SPEAKER_01:

This is from our the big me and Nicole went to a Big Tooth. We went to a Bigfoot conference in May? No, May. July. July.

unknown:

Wow.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. This is in July. Which by the way, we're here to talk about Bigfoot today.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. So when you guys say a Bigfoot conference, what exactly was it? Was it just a bunch of people who believe in Bigfoot who all come to East Tennessee and tell each other why they believe in Bigfoot? You want to take that, Marianna, or shall I?

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like you should.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay. So it was there were multiple speakers who were um like professionals at talking about Bigfoot. Some of them were like, let's see, they they were all like over the place of like some were very like scientific. Others were a little bit more like on the woo side of things. And there were multiple like panels and stuff. I don't know how many people there like were Bigfoot like truly believers or Bigfoot Curious or Bigfoot I Wish He Existed.

SPEAKER_03:

So those those are three separate categories. Because I would say I am Bigfoot Curious. I want to know more, which is why I'm asking you, you know, you guys these questions. My I would wonder who had the best evidence that Bigfoot existed. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01:

See, I've been thinking a lot about this, and it's not even it wasn't even the Bigfoot speakers because there were other speakers. Like to me, the most compelling speaker was the Skinwalker Ranch guy.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes. The what? Also terrifying. Terrifying Skinwalker Ranch guy. And we met him after. But go go explain what that is.

SPEAKER_01:

The Skinwalker Ranch guy. So Skinwalker Ranch is this ranch in Texas. And it is just this is like a hotbed of activity where just a lot of different things have occurred over the years. But a lot of it's happened. Um I don't know how to explain it. It's like a lot of different inexplicable things where they didn't have cell phones, they didn't have cameras, they didn't have a lot of like anything to tell the story, and I think that's why it happened. But they do have photographic evidence of like I don't I don't remember like all of his I don't know. He had this great PowerPoint presentation.

SPEAKER_04:

He did. And what was interesting about him is he wasn't specifically talking Bigfoot. Yeah. He was talking cryptids?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, cryptids.

SPEAKER_04:

Um, but so he talked about like he lost time one time. Like he was just like driving, and then like the next thing he knew it was like an hour ahead of time. And like he uh went had this like unexplainable like scratch show up, and he was like talking about um hitchhikers of like spirits where you're like somewhere and then they like hitchhike with you, and it was kind of scary, not gonna lie. And yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

He was a Navajo Ranger, yes, a Navajo Ranger, yeah. Okay, so that was like the thing. He's like a police officer for like the Navajo Nation.

SPEAKER_04:

I think that's how it kind of is, but yeah, I just and the skinwalkers are supposed to be like um, I'm gonna get it wrong. Not they're not like demons, they're like spirits or something along those lines that can take different forms. Yeah. And is one of those forms Bigfoot. I don't know if he actually stated that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. They're like these, they're they're almost like uh like a in my head, they were almost like a like a fried dog.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, because they he was talking about like somebody had this like mangy dog show up, yeah, which is and then they you know hit it and basically killed it, which was terrible. But then the guy got like super sick and the dog like disappeared, and I think the guy recovered after he went to like the spirit healer or something, and she was like, You had an interaction with a skinwalker.

SPEAKER_03:

So a skinwalker is not inherently evil, yeah, right? I I'm unclear on that note.

SPEAKER_01:

I think they might be.

SPEAKER_04:

So basically like stay away from the skinwalkers. Respect.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, respect sounds good.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And so some of this, I feel like okay, so this um conference, I originally heard about it because I listened to Nateland and they had a Bigfoot expert on very early on. And he mentioned going to a Bigfoot conference. There's a few around the US. This one was in Gatlinburg at the Smoky Mountains, because that is a hotbed of Bigfoot activity, I think, is my understanding. I'm from Minnesota and we have lots of Bigfoot stuff. Like up in Remer, there's an entire um festival for Bigfoot every year. And I have maybe stayed at a cabin hoping to see a Bigfoot before. So we went and it was like one day of just like panel different things. And so, like the first few panels were like evidence, and then like as you go on, we had like the Navajo Ranger talk, and then they talked about Mothman. And so it was like Bigfoot-centric, I would say the three-fourths of it, and then it was like cryptids in general.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

unknown:

Oh.

SPEAKER_04:

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01:

You know who was the most compelling argument for Bigfoot? I actually just realized this, and it I was thinking about it because of the the migraine medicine. I just started taking this migraine medicine that makes me feel like I have a hand on my face. Hand on the face guy. I knew it was hand on the face guy.

SPEAKER_04:

Because they had people sharing their Bigfoot experiences. Oh. Like testimonies. I saw Bigfoot, I promise. Yeah. This was great. Wow.

SPEAKER_01:

This was great.

SPEAKER_04:

Are you wondering what cryptas are? I am. Okay. Uh they're like, what are they? Like mythical, like creatures that people maybe actually believe.

SPEAKER_01:

It's like the classification that Bigfoot's in.

SPEAKER_04:

Bigfoot, um, the the cat, the wampus cat. Yeah. What? The wampus cat. It's I think it's a local, it's like a a cat that like Wampuses. Wampuses.

SPEAKER_01:

Exactly. It's a cat that wampuses.

SPEAKER_04:

So episode five with Sarah Holofeld that I had on the podcast, she like talks about cryptids a little bit more. And that was what like with the books she wrote, she used that as like a world that she built it out of. If anyone wants to go back and watch that or listen.

SPEAKER_03:

So did everybody there believe in Bigfoot? Were there any Bigfoot deniers? Or is that not a thing at a Bigfoot convention? I mean, no one spoke up.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no, I don't think they would have because the people who believed in Bigfoot, I think, would have fought you. They would seriously. Yeah. No, it was and and they were, you know, like, yeah, they were serious.

SPEAKER_04:

They were serious. And am I remembering correctly that there were like no filming? Oh, yeah. Oh. No, there was no filming. No filming.

SPEAKER_01:

You could take pictures, but you could not film.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. You got one with Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I did get a picture with Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01:

He put his hand on my head. Hand on face guy though.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, hand on face guy. Yeah. He said that he was sleeping out, I didn't catch where, somewhere in the woods at a cabin that his um grandma owned. And he left the window open because they didn't have AC and it was really hot. And he was sleeping, and he woke up to a hand on his face, and it was like hairy and smelly. And he like jumped up on his bed and like screamed, and he saw Bigfoot like walking away from his window. Wow. Yeah. That's terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. And then he was like, Don't go into the woods. Don't go in the woods alone. I he's like, I used to be an outdoorsman. I won't go in the woods anymore. Which feels compelling.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. No, that was compelling to me because I'm very much like outdoorsy and I'm like, well, not that outdoorsy, but like if anyone was like, Oh, I don't go outside anymore, I'm like, oh, that's a big deal.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I think it'd be really hard if you have a bunch of people, you know, in a at a at a conference and they all swear that they've seen Bigfoot or they've seen something that, you know, suggests that Bigfoot is real, I think it'd be really hard to say, no, no, what you're what you saw and what everybody else in this room saw is not true.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I think there's strength in numbers, is what I'm saying. Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Maybe everyone walks away and they're like, well, maybe not after. But like when you're there, you're like, absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03:

So, you know, when I was preparing for this, I started going down this rabbit hole of what Bigfoot is. And there's some people who believe that there's some sort of alien connection, that Bigfoot is an physical embodiment of the paranormal. I mean, is that something that came up at the conference?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, it did.

SPEAKER_03:

Really? Take it away, Mariana.

SPEAKER_01:

Wonder you should mention that. There's a whole theory. It's called the portal theory. Is this the portal theory?

SPEAKER_03:

The portal theory. I think it's related.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. I feel like this is so there's this theory, the portal theory, that there's other dimensions that are on Earth where the Bigfoot basically comes in and out of this other dimension of time. And and I think that there's other creatures in that dimension that might be what other people consider to be aliens or what we would consider to be aliens. Or alien to us. You know what I mean? Like they're just not what we are. Um but I don't know if that necessarily feeds into that it he it is an alien, you know.

SPEAKER_04:

But there's like belie some people like, have you ever seen the pictures of Bigfoot being taken up by the spaceship? I think I've seen like Or the uh bumper sticker. Yes. Yeah, yes, like there's definitely people who believe it's a legitimate like alien.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, yeah. Yeah. I knew that too.

SPEAKER_04:

But there's definitely like the portal theory because they're like, well, how can't you find him? Right. How does he quickly go? One question that came up was like, why aren't there more pictures of him?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And the expert panel got into this, and it was like it started off like generally kind of normal of like, well, he like moves quickly, he's camouflaged, and then it like got progressively more woo-woo. And then they're like, Well, all the electronics break around him, and then I I feel like it got into like the portal theory. Yeah, and it was like an extreme on that panel, it was fabulous.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no, that was a great panel. I feel like it wasn't even that woo-woo with the the electronics breaking around him necessarily. Like, I am like, yeah, obviously electronics break around him. Uh duh.

SPEAKER_04:

So we went up to a podcaster after this, and I was like, I said, is it possible that they're not getting pictures of Bigfoot because he's really sensitive to um electromagnetic uh EM oh my gosh, I can't think of the word. EMFs. EMFs, thank you. Yeah, EMFs. And then he just like, I don't quite didn't quite understand his response, but I don't think he understood what I was saying either. And so then he went into the electronics all breaking and he claimed he had like seen him, maybe, and his but his camera broke, and so he just didn't get it like the picture.

SPEAKER_01:

So I feel like that there are some old school cameras out there that are mechanical to the extent that they're not digital, that you could sit there with them in the woods with like someone or something that's still enough and take just time-lapse pictures enough to that you would get one eventually.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, but I don't know. Are you saying you don't believe Marianna?

SPEAKER_01:

No, I do believe. I really believe that he that they break the digital cameras. I do, like that's the thing. I'm I'm on their side.

SPEAKER_03:

I just something I find odd is nobody's ever found a body, right? Yeah, nobody's ever found and right. I mean, unless there's something at the conference. I mean, the no, there is no body that's ever been found.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, so the argument they give is that like you hardly ever find like dead bears either because the animals in the forest all like eat them up and stuff. Okay. I'm not saying that's inaccurate, but maybe it's the portal, maybe it disappears.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I will say my cat kills a lot of animals and they generally explode within a day because of the maggots. So yeah, it's disgusting. And I know bigger animals are different, but and that this is not anywhere near the same size as these little birds, but nature does work its way, you know, pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_03:

So w when you were there, I mean was who's who's the best dressed?

SPEAKER_01:

Who?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, was there I pictured that lady.

SPEAKER_04:

That lady. The um moth lady?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, moth lady. Oh my god, moth lady. Wait, so her hair, the moth lady, she had this amazing hair. We should, I should have looked up her name.

SPEAKER_04:

Her hair went down to like her knees.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it was incredible. It was like it was like ice blonde. Why didn't I look up her name?

SPEAKER_04:

Natural?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh no. I was like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04:

I think that's a no, but who cares?

SPEAKER_01:

Gorgeous. Yeah. I think Moth Lady was the best dress. What do you think?

SPEAKER_04:

We're calling her Moth Lady because she did the whole presentation on Mothman.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Which I now don't believe in.

SPEAKER_04:

So what is Mothman? Marianna, I think you know more about this.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, yeah, I do. Because I was kind of obsessed with the movie The Mothman Prophecies. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_03:

I never saw it, but I was it was it who's the actor?

SPEAKER_01:

Dustin Hoffman. I think it's Dustin Hoffman. Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know. I know it came out in 2001. Yeah, it's like a like a while ago.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so it's about basically the this bridge collapsing, and everybody's was like, oh, we saw Mothman right before it collapsed. And I was obsessed and I believed in Mothman like from 2001 until this conference. Really? And then she went over like every scrap of evidence that's ever happened of Mothman, and I was like, oh, I don't believe in it anymore.

SPEAKER_03:

What did she provide to you that made you say, okay, Mothman doesn't exist?

SPEAKER_04:

I think it was just she like went over everything, every detail of like how the reports she had gone back in into like the archives of like news clippings, and she presented other possible birds birds that it could have been, and that it had never like shown up again, basically. And there was actually like the bridge collapsing, there was a physical thing that caused it. Yeah. It wasn't just like boom, it went.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, so the the whole premise of Mothman is that when Mothman shows up, something bad's gonna happen. Is that kind of the implication? Yeah, yeah. And then is it a giant moth?

SPEAKER_04:

I mean, I don't So it's like a big man with big wings.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

I hadn't heard of him till I like saw the pamphlet. I'm not up on my cryptids too much, but gosh. I mean it's definitely creepy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, very creepy. Great myth. But also, she was very much just like, you guys are like the fans and the reason we're here, and like she kind of did like the playing to the crowd a little bit, and I was like, Oh yeah, we're the reason you're eating.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, she was like hyping the crowd at the end.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. But I like I love really enjoyed what she was saying, and like, you know, I liked le listening to it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Did every anybody have a uh I guess a testimony where you're like they're they're telling the truth. Like they I believe them. I they they said that they saw Bigfoot and I believe what they said.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, I believed two of the three testimonies.

SPEAKER_04:

I wonder if it's the same one. The other one I believed, you want to say it? I bet you know.

SPEAKER_01:

The woman?

SPEAKER_04:

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

In the wheelchair. The woman in the wheelchair, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, what was her testimony?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, we could do it ver verbatim. You want to do it together?

SPEAKER_03:

We could try.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. She was like, also Bigfoot. He was very big.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay, there was a little more to it. That was like her mic drop. And then they did like they like seen him across a um parking lot or something.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And she was like, and then we didn't we didn't know what he was. We went home and we didn't have the internet, and then I told somebody about what it was, and they were like, that's a bigfoot. And she was like, and he was very big.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. She was great. Yeah, she was great. Kathy.

SPEAKER_04:

Just very we named her Kathy. Not her name. Not her real name. Not her name.

SPEAKER_03:

Is it like one of those things where you know somebody goes and says, like, I saw Bigfoot, and then like the crowd gets really amped and they cheer, like, yeah, like or is it or is it very calm and subtle?

SPEAKER_04:

Okay. And okay, the best part is that they only got like four, I think, four people, maybe three, to do these, and it's like they ran out of people to share. So the guy started just like reading a book.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

It was fabulous. Oh, I was so boring.

SPEAKER_01:

I looked it up on the website though, so they had slots for 10 people because you could have a slot for a 10-minute spot. Wow. For a 10-minute story, because there was one guy that had like every story shoved into like his little spot. He just kept going and going and going. We called him the Rambler.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay. And did you believe him? No. He he had too many, like you know, when someone's lying, they provide too many details. Yes. That's what he was doing.

SPEAKER_03:

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04:

And he and it was like, and my dad said this, and then my sister, you know, we didn't want to tell her anything because she goes to that cabin and we didn't want her to be scared that there might be a giant man out there, which I don't tell your sister. Why would you let your sister go to a cabin in the middle of nowhere knowing there's a Bigfoot, or if not a Bigfoot, a giant man walking around? I had a problem with that. But he just like, I don't know, just so many details, so many ramblings, and he just kept going. I timed him because I was like, is he gonna stop? He went like eight minutes straight, and then Marianna told me later he had 10 minutes, so I was like, well, I guess he did a good job by stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, he didn't even run the light. He didn't run the light. Wow, he had two more minutes. I looked that up on the website because I was like, maybe we'll like submit a story. But I didn't want to be like that, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

If you guys saw Bigfoot, and I mean like really saw Bigfoot, what would you do? Because I would whip out my iPhone and try to get a picture.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, and then he and then you run away, you wouldn't be able to get one. You break your phone.

SPEAKER_04:

I think I would just freeze. Because I feel like it would be like the same if I encountered like a bear or something. I just kind of like freeze, which is not what you're supposed to do for the record, but yeah, and we're not supposed to do that for a bear. No, which we almost saw a bear.

SPEAKER_01:

We did almost see a bear.

SPEAKER_04:

Really? So we were hiking, so we went to the mountains, obviously. I know we just got sidetracked, but we were hiking very early because the smokies get insanely busy. And so there weren't like a ton of people ahead of us. And we like came up to these people and they're like, There's a bear up there, and they were just like waiting for it to go away, and they like didn't know what to do because they don't hike. I mean, I know what to do, I still don't think I would have done it. But then we like went to the waterfall and then these people were coming back and they were like, Are there a lot of people there? Because we had this bear like following us or something, and yeah, so it was intense. How do you know that that wasn't Bigfoot?

SPEAKER_03:

Because I feel like at a Bigfoot convention, if Bigfoot shows up, I mean that is the ultimate convention. That's the ultimate. Right. I don't know, we just have to take these people's word for it because we didn't see it. I don't think we even heard it. Yeah, sad. So do people go to this convention? It's an annual convention? Yes. Every single year. Yeah. And people like submit to be speakers. Is there is there a bigfoot? Who decides like who gets to speak? Like who gets to be the expert on this?

SPEAKER_04:

I don't know. I mean, there must have been a bigfoot committee or something.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

There must have been something. Like some whoever was running the conference, they take it very seriously.

SPEAKER_01:

They organize a cruise as well.

SPEAKER_03:

There's a Bigfoot cruise.

SPEAKER_01:

I think we should go on the Bigfoot cruise.

SPEAKER_03:

Wait, so Bigfoot cruise go.

SPEAKER_01:

Alaska.

SPEAKER_03:

Really, obviously. I mean, and then like other excursions that are all related to Bigfoot?

SPEAKER_01:

No. No. I think it's just a I think it's just like a hangout talk about Bigfoot cruise.

SPEAKER_03:

Community. Yeah. I get this that the the Bigfoot thing, it's it seems like a group, like almost like an identity. Like I feel like these people are probably really tied into this belief, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_03:

Like consumes them.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, there's a camaraderie for sure.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Were there so they had Bigfoot, they had Mothman. Were there any other things that were discussed at the conference? Any other cryptids, I think is the word you used. That is the word.

SPEAKER_01:

Were there I don't think they're they didn't talk about a lot of the lesser cryptids, although I think that would have been super interesting, especially because Eggtooth Ghost, I mean, what? Like, how cool is this little guy? I know he existed. He's so cute.

SPEAKER_04:

He might be a made-up one though. He could be all the others are true, obviously.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, obviously. Obviously.

SPEAKER_04:

I think the like the the Navajo Ranger, we talked to him. Yeah, that was clear. Yeah. Yeah, because we were a little tired. So we'd found like a little spot and then he was like walking by. And so we actually got to ask him a couple more questions. And I don't he like I had asked him about the scratch because he just was like, I got a scratch. And then he just like moved on. I was like, what are we talking about? He said that like he it just like showed up when they were I don't even remember what was.

SPEAKER_01:

Like they were Well, he said the scratch started like here and then went all the way around his arm and ended up over here.

SPEAKER_04:

Mm-hmm. And he didn't remember it happening. It just, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

But he said he would be driving down the road and he'd be like, specifically in one area. So he, you know, he you're in the middle of like Texas or or like the West, and you're like somewhere, and he'd be going to get an oil change, and he'd know how many miles were on his car, and then all of a sudden he'd be 30 miles down the road or like 30 minutes down the road. I can't remember what the amount was. But you know how you're just like, you don't tune out that much.

SPEAKER_03:

So you know they kind of went through this portal of time.

SPEAKER_01:

That's what it sounded like.

SPEAKER_04:

It was that or somebody moved him. Yeah, moved him, or like I wasn't sure which he was getting at.

SPEAKER_01:

Or like from what I think of with like alien abductions, is like they take you and then you lose the time, and then you can you can go back and regress to it, I think, with like hypnosis.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

I think that guy should have regression.

SPEAKER_03:

I should have wished I'd asked him about that.

SPEAKER_01:

We'll go back.

SPEAKER_03:

You should you guys, yeah. Maybe I'll join.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

No, that sounds like a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_01:

I have two other friends who want to go so bad.

SPEAKER_04:

Bryn wants to go now.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh uh uh Yeah, and I feel like there was somebody else. I feel like you wanted to go.

SPEAKER_01:

I have two other friends. I have a scientist friend that wants to go really bad.

SPEAKER_03:

I think I don't know, I feel like I'm a very objective person. So I would want to know hard facts, right? Like I would want to, it's like I would want them to prove to me that Bigfoot existed.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like we should sit up front next time though. Okay. Yeah, we're closer. Closer.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. I mean, it was fascinating. I still like that Navajo guy kind of like he was very legitimate. Yeah. Yeah. And it kind of creeped me out a little bit. Super nice. Oh yeah. But yeah, I got the creeps a little bit.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I know his life was scary, scary to me. Like his existence scared me. Not like him. He was great. He was a nice person. But like what he went through, like actually scared me. And I was so happy I didn't live in the West.

SPEAKER_03:

So are Bigfoot intrinsically trying to harm humans? Or are is Bigfoot a friendly creature? I don't think he's either.

SPEAKER_04:

Like I think that Bigfoot is is not trying to harm people. He just like wants to be left alone, very like solitary. And so we're like more and more encroaching on his territory. And so when you he's very territorial, that's one way thing we learned. And so when like campers or anyone like come into their territory, they like start to like throw things and try to like scare you away.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I think.

SPEAKER_03:

So what is that?

SPEAKER_01:

That's the noise they make.

unknown:

Whoop.

SPEAKER_03:

Can't do it. The Bigfoot call.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

That's the Bigfoot call. So if you haven't seen Willow Creek, that's Bobcat Goldplate's um found footage horror movie about Bigfoots.

SPEAKER_04:

I say Bigfoot, Big Feet, Bigfoot, Big Feet.

SPEAKER_03:

Because there's multiple, right? Bigfoot. They're like they're multiple Bigfoots.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a good grammar question. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

Are they all big foot?

SPEAKER_01:

Because you'd think I don't know. No.

SPEAKER_04:

No, because in that old video, they said it was a woman because of her breasts. Obviously. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So the lady Bigfoot. They talk about anatomy. Remember?

SPEAKER_04:

Yes. Yes. Oh, and then the guy with the hand on face guy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

He said he thought it was like a younger Bigfoot because it was just like curious because he was snoring and it wanted to know what that noise was. So like a child Bigfoot or like a teenager. Like a teenager.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I wonder in our lifetime if people will be able to irrefutably determine that like Bigfoot is real.

SPEAKER_01:

That'd be amazing. Yeah. I feel like we're going to have too much technology around soon. Too much 5G. It's going to drive them all away in the next dimension. I don't know. That's just my own theory. Yeah. I think singularity is going to drive them away.

SPEAKER_04:

What's singularity?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh, when computers can think.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, like AI. That'll drive me away too.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. I know, right?

SPEAKER_04:

We'll go live with Bigfoot. We want to come with you.

SPEAKER_01:

The Bigfoot's. We don't, they won't care about grammar.

SPEAKER_03:

I get the impression that Bigfoot doesn't want to be seen. Yes. Or it doesn't want to be recorded. I wonder why that is. Like, why is Bigfoot so like such an introvert?

SPEAKER_04:

Such an introvert. I never thought about Bigfoot that way, but I feel like that's perfect. That's a good reason. Is an introvert? Yeah. Yeah. I had a shirt during COVID. That said it had Bigfoot on it and it said social distancing champion.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And I wish I'd worn that today.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Definitely. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

But I mean, I feel like it there's a lot of animals that are like that that don't want to be near people. Mariana. And it took forever for people to find a gorilla. People didn't believe the gorilla existed until somebody finally like shot it and brought it back to England.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

But I I think it was the 19th century. Oh wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. I just feel like anything that's that big and that like not dependent on any sort of society in general, like, why wouldn't you stay hidden, you know?

SPEAKER_03:

And so it's not a human thing. It this is this is like pure animal. I feel like there's something there. Okay, we have- It's a monkey.

SPEAKER_01:

Can you do you remember? It's a monkey.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, that's what Marianna believes. That's what I think. Why is it a monkey?

SPEAKER_01:

Because it looks like a monkey.

SPEAKER_04:

It looks like a monkey. Yes. But but some of the people on the panel said that it's like I do believe someone said it was an alien. Yes. Someone said it was part monkey or primate. Primate. The North American primate. Another one said it was half human, half Nephilim. What's that? Oh yeah. So it's the Bible from the Bible. It's half human, half angel. Oh. And then another one said it's half, or it's a descendant of Cain. The first murderer.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. So that that's controversial topic. It's controversial. I think people have so much fascination with Bigfoot because it does have a human aspect to it. And it walks like a human. That that's what gets me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It walks like a like a divorced dad, you know? It's got quite a gate on it, you know?

SPEAKER_03:

It's just well, there you have it, folks. Bigfoot. Divorced dad. I don't know. Yeah. So what do you eat at a Bigfoot conference?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, nachos.

SPEAKER_03:

Nachos. Nachos. I feel like they I wanted something more creative. They were selling concessions.

SPEAKER_04:

Just like your normal concessions.

SPEAKER_01:

But I got nachos. Yes. Because it was too trafficy to like stop, and I didn't want to get anything else. So I got nachos and I was like, Can we have extra cheese? Yeah. I got he got me like four cheeses, and me and Nicole like balanced them all on the way to the car. I love that. It's like in 120-degree heat.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Because it's in the middle of the summertime.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, it was amazing.

SPEAKER_01:

It was glorious.

SPEAKER_04:

And okay, it's so weird where it's taking place because it's in the um convention center in Gatlinburg. Okay. And so we like show up and there's just tourists everywhere because it's Gatlinburg. And so when we did go out to eat, we went to like five guys, and we're just squishing past all these like families just touring Gatlinburg. And then there's all these people with Bigfoot paraphernalia walking around. And I just imagine, like, what were those families like? Where are we? Yeah. How many people were at the convention? Like 200, 300? It's a lot of people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Definitely enough to fit in a comedy club.

SPEAKER_04:

It was like, yeah. And it it was only half full, like, of how many chairs they actually had out.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, there was a lot of chairs empty.

SPEAKER_04:

We really anticipated more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

High hopes.

SPEAKER_01:

I wonder if that's like how full the convention they always put out that many for a convention thing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04:

But that's why we had to sit further back. It was because there was like VIP this and then this type of VIP and then this one. And then we did just did general admission. So we were like way back. Were there like honored guests? I mean, if you bought the ticket. Okay. So there, I mean, there were people who bought front row tickets. Yeah. And they were like, they paid what, like 300 bucks?

SPEAKER_01:

I will say most people bought the VIP ticket. Yes, they did. We were like the we were amongst like maybe 30 people hanging out in the back. Like we were the bad kids in the back. Which is like a first for me. I was usually the one in the front of the class.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, that's so funny. And then there's vendors. Uh huh. So you can't forget the vent. That's where egg tooth ghosts came from. That's where Mary Eggdockers were egg tooth ghosts. Adorable. Thank you. Um, so lots of Bigfoot stuff, shirts, I don't even know. All the things. Yeah. Stuffed animals, um, podcasters, yeah. Uh-huh. Stickers. Signs. Yeah. So I think that next year we could go in as a vendor and we could sell some stuff. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

All kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_04:

Friendship bracelets. All sorts of stuff. Yeah. Friendship, friendship. Definitely.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, that'd be fun. Oh, I would do that. We should start making stuff now.

SPEAKER_04:

We definitely should.

SPEAKER_03:

In my mind, Bigfoot is an American thing. Right? Like Minnesota, people be gonna Utah, New Mexico. I'd be so interested to know if people from China or Europe are also on board with this.

SPEAKER_04:

Isn't it the Yeti? Oh yeah. Yeah. In the is it in Nepal? Where the there's like a mountainous area there. And so they over there it's the Yeti because it's white. And so it blends in with the snow.

SPEAKER_03:

Wow.

SPEAKER_04:

So different cultures have it. Like Native Americans have stories about Bigfoot. Like it goes way back.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Well that they have stories about working with Bigfoot. Don't they? Isn't that what they said?

SPEAKER_04:

I think so.

SPEAKER_01:

I think that they had little they touched on that like uh anecdotes about um Native Americans working with Bigfoot. Bigfoots. I don't know. Big feet. Big feet. Yeah. The Big Feet. You know. Um you just uh like helping them build things and and like live.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. To me, I couldn't imagine just doing my job, you know, digging whatever I needed, like building my blocks, and then having the Bigfoot hand me a block. I mean that that to me that's or whatever, whatever they did. Yeah. I mean that that sounds absolutely crazy. I don't think I can handle that.

SPEAKER_01:

That sounds amazing to me. That's like my calling. Yeah. Be like that'd be like being friends with a wrestler. That'd be like being friends with Brock Lesnar. That would be like being friends with Brock Lesnar.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Someone and I were like, Y'all don't know who we know who that is. We don't do wrestling. Yes, Mary. That would be like Andre the Giant handing stuff. Okay. Nope.

SPEAKER_03:

Couldn't pick them out in a lineup, but I knew the name.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like that would be so fun.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And and Bigfoot like doesn't speak English, right? Like it is.

SPEAKER_01:

Good question.

SPEAKER_04:

I have so many thoughts, but I didn't get the impression that it did.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't think it speaks, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_04:

They have like grunts and whistles. That's how they communicate. Yeah. Kind of like monkeys. Yeah. Like monkeys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But I don't think they have language. Not that we they didn't get to that part. What a good question. You're coming next year.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay, I'll come next year and ask. Here's my complaint to the Bigfoot Conference. Yeah. There were no there wasn't a question and answer session. Really? Yeah. Ever. I feel like I'd go wild. I don't know. You'd fit in. You'd do great.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I know. I honestly wish you could even submit questions beforehand.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, and I think that they wanted to like keep a hold on everything.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I bet it can go off the rails pretty quick.

SPEAKER_03:

So they don't want like bigfoot deniers, is what you're saying. Or like people challenging that. They wanted could be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Well, I feel like it's already hard enough to like put the conference on in the first place. So, you know, they're like, well, it's already hard enough to like get the enthusiasm up. We don't want to have like open the door for it, would almost be like having a question answer like for comedy.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

You know?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Maybe.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe that's what they think would happen.

SPEAKER_04:

So you're trying to basically like keep the momentum going. Yeah. And I actually think everyone there was super nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

I mean, it they are probably exactly as everyone listening is picturing them. What they look like, how they act a little bit.

SPEAKER_03:

I feel like a lot of people would be wearing just really interesting hats.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. A lot of hats. Oh. A lot of camo. My goodness. Camo.

SPEAKER_01:

You don't understand. Like one of the main guys had on a leather cowboy hat that like I can't stop thinking about, actually.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

There were so many good heads.

SPEAKER_03:

There were. Exactly what you would expect. Yeah. Camo. I wouldn't expect camo. I'm really blended. Well, hunters.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a big hunt. A lot of hunters.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay. Outdoorsmen.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I mean, I'm obsessed with camo.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. Yeah.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, yes, I guess it was. Everybody became obsessed with camo in the last few years and I stopped. But I used to wear a lot of camo.

SPEAKER_04:

I like camo. You were on the cutting edge. You're like, I know.

SPEAKER_01:

Then everybody took it and it's not as cool.

SPEAKER_03:

I think you'd still wear it. Yeah. Be who you want to be.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I know.

SPEAKER_03:

That's pretty neat. Um, are you guys gonna go back for sure? Like, is that are you guys like planning on it? I think it'd be fun. I think it'd be so fun. I w I wanna go. Yeah. I mean, I think it'd be really, really interesting. But I would want to suggest that they have a question answer answer session. Yeah. Maybe we can submit suggestions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I think we could write in right now and like be like, can we help you plan this?

SPEAKER_03:

So are we gonna like throw a coup and actually we're gonna be putting on the comments?

SPEAKER_01:

Like, I think we'd actually be like, hey, I know you guys are really busy at your old folks' home. Yes. There were a lot of older people.

SPEAKER_03:

How many women in their 30s were there?

SPEAKER_01:

That would be you and me. Really?

SPEAKER_04:

Two. Exactly two.

SPEAKER_01:

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04:

I think I well, I do believe there were a few other women that were there with their husbands. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Well, yeah, that's a good point. There were no other women that were just there together.

SPEAKER_04:

Observing.

SPEAKER_01:

Observ. There were no women that were there outside of being there in a couple.

SPEAKER_03:

Got it.

SPEAKER_01:

Like they were not of their of their own free volition.

SPEAKER_03:

It'd be funny to me, like, if there's like the convention and there's like the bigfoot after party, like where everybody like meets. I would go to That's a good idea. See, we should plan it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

See, this is what I mean is like I think we could do a good job planning it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And and it's like to meet, I don't know, like-minded folks, I guess.

SPEAKER_01:

I think it could have been a funner way to like get the ideas flowing. Like we can really find this guy. Right. This foot. This foot.

SPEAKER_04:

This guy thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm obsessed with Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_04:

I would definitely go again.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

It was fun.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Especially if you go too.

SPEAKER_04:

I I know I I would love to go. Yeah. But I imagine this group of women in their 30s just showing up.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

My friend that's a scientist wants to go so bad. Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my god, Kelly. Oh my god, Kelly here.

SPEAKER_03:

I feel like I feel like people, I don't know. I I feel like there's a lot to unpack there.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

I think that the two testimonies were very interesting. Yeah. But I was not impressed with the actual experts. Why did you believe the testimonies? It was just like the way they said them, just like very genuine. It was the two. They were just very like no nonsense. Like the guy who got up there was very nervous. Yeah. And like he just seemed I don't know, just like really uncomfortable. Like he wasn't sure why he was sharing it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And then the lady just was like to the point and moved on. To me, like the people who lie want more and more time or they want the attention in the spotlight. Yeah. Um, but I didn't feel like the experts brought anything like concrete.

SPEAKER_01:

So yeah, I wish that they had been if they had all been more like the skinwalker ranch guy, like that's why I bring him up so much, is that I liked his concrete evidence. Here's a photo of this, here's a photo of that. Like I just like it was easier to follow him. And it was just very compelling.

SPEAKER_04:

And also he had a lot more first hand stories. Yeah. Whereas these other people were just kind of like they had none of them had actually experienced anything firsthand.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. The experts. They wanted to a lot. You could tell they were chomping at the bit real bad to like.

SPEAKER_03:

But this guy was legit because like stuff happened to him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

A lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

The other thing was that the people that stuff had happened to, clearly they didn't want to have stuff happen to them. And then the people who like wanted stuff to happen to them, like they will never have a bigfoot encounter ever in their entire life because they want it way too bad. You know? They're driving it away. It's just like social media. You drive that away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Do you have any other questions, Summer?

SPEAKER_03:

Uh my last question would be uh if you guys got a Bigfoot shirt, what would the Bigfoot shirt say? And why? Why do you assume I don't have three Bigfoot shirts?

SPEAKER_04:

Wait, three Bigfoot shirts. What did they say? Social distancing champion. It's pink with the Bigfoot. Yes. And then I have one that's from a podcast called Wild Thing that I love. And it's like Bigfoot footprints and then like high heels. You wore that one. And then the other one is a sweatshirt and it has a Bigfoot on it and says Bigfoot doesn't believe in you either. I love that. I also have multiple stickers and paraphernalia. Which people I've I've bought the shirts, but people just like give me Bigfoot stuff now. Because you're like a Bigfoot person. Like you're one of those people. I mean, I do have big feet, yes. But I have like I like Bigfoot. I'm like he was a Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01:

He was very big. I don't know what I would put on the I haven't had enough thought to put in it. But I would just take one of your shirts.

SPEAKER_03:

That that's totally. You know Kevin Hart and he's like doing like the like that look. Yeah. Mine would just be that, and then just it just says like he's real, and then on the back is a picture of Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I like that. See? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

We could be vendors. That would be the shirt. I think people would buy that. I think.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like we would crush this. We could be the vendors, the organizers.

SPEAKER_03:

Taking over the conference. The after party organizer. I'll do the after party. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01:

I just feel like we can make this really fun for these people.

SPEAKER_03:

I think so too.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

What are you guys obsessing over lately?

unknown:

Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

You want to go first?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So I am obsessing over uh designing my house in a low budget way, but making it cute. So I guess low budget renovation.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

What's your what's the favorite thing that you have gotten for it? So I redid my dining room and got uh basically painted uh the lower half of the walls green and then put photographs of basically large floral photographs in the back of the dining room, and I got them all off Etsy. Their prints are like$2 a piece. Nice. Frame them and then put that up in my uh my dining room. Cute. Love it.

unknown:

I love that.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, that's nice. Um, I'm obsessed with my new migraine medicine. It's called Topamax, but I call it Gleaminex.

SPEAKER_03:

And this is not an ad for Topamax, by the way.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not, and actually don't take it because like I understand why most people do not like it. Um, I love it. It feels like there's a hand on my face all the time.

SPEAKER_03:

It's not Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not Bigfoot, but it's kind of like the hands like this. I don't know. It's I like it. It's just a really cool and um I just feel happy all the time. It feels like I'm gonna have a huge problem later on. But yeah, it's great. I haven't had a migraine in four days. That doesn't sound like a long time for most people. I usually have four migraines a week.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh wow. I thought it gotten better even. It has, I mean we don't need to explore your medical history. I know, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01:

It's like I usually have between three and four migraines a week.

SPEAKER_03:

So that's it. It's helping. Yeah, me too. Yeah.

unknown:

That's it.

SPEAKER_01:

That's it. That's my thing.

SPEAKER_04:

So because there's three of us today, we decided to come up with recommendations together. Summer, what is our first recommendation? Our first recommendation is uh to use infrared sauna. Yes. Because we are all all big fans of infrared saunas. Yes, yes. Highly recommend.

SPEAKER_03:

Wait, where do you go?

SPEAKER_04:

Uh well, I've gone to Pure Sweat.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that one is really, really good. That's really okay.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, we love Pure Sweat. They've also um okay, so Summer also produced we started producing Together Cheaper than Therapy. Yes. She's always been behind the scenes or dressed up as a tree. I think dressed up as a tree. I didn't know. And now Marianna has joined us helping. So Pierce Wet and Flo has um sponsored us multiple times now. Them and then The Butcher, the New York butcher. Yes, yes. Big fan. Also a therapy office has sponsored us. We love our sponsors. Yes. Marianna, what is our other recommendation?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh a local favorite comedian who's also a Bigfoot enthusiast, Mr. John Dollar, who just won Louisville's favorite comedian. Amazing.

SPEAKER_03:

He was on our first cheaper than therapy back like two years ago. And he brought down the house. He was so good.

SPEAKER_01:

He was so good. He's so funny. He's so funny. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04:

He like got caught up in the black curtain accidentally. Of course he doesn't remember that. Yeah. I don't remember what he's just flipping around and then I don't know. He doesn't know that we're doing a shadow. No, he doesn't.

SPEAKER_01:

I can't wait for him to see this. He's one of my favorite people. He's amazing. Yeah. No, we need to clip this for him. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

He's super funny, super nice, very professional to have on a show. Oh, yeah. Love having him on the show. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So no notes.

SPEAKER_04:

No notes.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't have that to say about many men.

SPEAKER_04:

And then he is a he has a Bigfoot joke.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So we won't give it away.

SPEAKER_04:

We won't. No, we won't give it away. But people should go watch him.

SPEAKER_01:

He's a Bigfoot enthusiast as well. If I didn't say that already.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, that's the right word. Enthusiast. Enthusiast. What are you guys looking forward to this week?

SPEAKER_03:

To be honest, this is what I was looking forward to. Yay. For me, I mean I've I've been behind the scenes for you know two and two years. And I I don't know. Thank you for uh letting me come on the podcast and be a be a guest where usually I'm sitting in the corner. We don't force her into the corner. She just I'm in the corner by choice, but this is what I was looking forward to.

SPEAKER_01:

Aww. I'm uh this is also what I was looking forward to all week because I've been sitting at my house. Like, does the migraine medicine work? Does the migraine medicine work? That's been my week. But I'm looking forward to fall, hopefully, although today it's not very fall. And apple cider donuts. I don't know if you guys partake in those.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know if I've ever tried them.

SPEAKER_01:

We're gonna we should go to this orchard that I found in Mount Juliet called Breden's Orchard. They have apple cider donuts. And they are very magical.

SPEAKER_04:

Sounds magical. I've made um, I make my own pumpkin donuts.

SPEAKER_01:

Or we could make apple cider donuts so that then they're gluten-free.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Because obviously.

SPEAKER_04:

It is really hard to get a really good gluten-free donut. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, I bet that they have conquered it. I bet they have. In Little Rock, they have. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Because I've ate ate them multiple times. Yeah. They're really good.

SPEAKER_01:

Little Rock, they get it.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Fascinating. Um, I'm looking forward to I'm meeting with a business development coach tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And I'm like, I hit it off with her. She's super nice. She's actually gonna be on the podcast later. Um, but she uh is really into positive psychology, which is something that I got into like 10 years ago, and it's it's very fascinating. And she's actually going through the master's program at Penn State that I looked into when I was obsessing over it.

SPEAKER_03:

What is positive psychology?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, so they're they've studied how like positive thinking can like improve like how how you I mean how you think, how you act, how you work, and everything. So for example, every night write down like three positive things, and like that actually has they can scientifically show it has a improved effect on your life. I I so believe that.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh yeah, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, so it there's a lot more to it than that, but that was the basic premise. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01:

I love that.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. So um, Marianna, where can people find you?

SPEAKER_01:

On my Instagram. Uh it's Marianna underscore Barkstell. And then my YouTube, which I can't remember what the handle is.

SPEAKER_04:

We can link. And I'm sorry, but nobody gets to find Summer. Yeah. She's mysterious. She's chosen to remain behind the curtain.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm just Summer. It's like it's just Summer.

SPEAKER_01:

She's our friend. She's not your friend.

SPEAKER_04:

I guess. But thank you, Summer, for coming on. It's it's been fun having you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's fun. Two years in the making. We got her. Yeah. No, yeah, this is like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. And of course, Marianna, it's great to have you back. Yes, thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_01:

This was awesome.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, thank you guys uh for watching and listening. Uh, please follow us wherever you listen to your podcast. And I look forward to having you come back next week. The end. Thanks for listening to my crunchy zen era. Please subscribe and leave a review wherever you listen to your podcasts. This podcast is produced by me, Nicole Swisher, and my good friends Summer Harcup and Liz Colder. Editing is by Drew Harrison Media, and recording is done by Logos Creative in Nashville, Tennessee. Thanks for hanging out. We'll be back next week.

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