The One About Bigfoot (He Doesn't Believe In You Either)

What do you get when believers, skeptics, and the cryptid-curious pack into a Bigfoot conference in Gatlinburg?

Midnight sightings. Missing time on desert roads. Portal theories. Skinwalker stories. And... way too much nacho cheese.

We spent a full day deep in the world of cryptids, fringe science, and seriously committed merch tables—and came back with the stories that stuck.

In this episode:

• Eyewitness accounts vs. expert panels
• Portal theories, EMF spikes & busted camera traps
• Skinwalkers, lost time, and Navajo Ranger testimony
• Bigfoot: shy, territorial... or something stranger?
• A surprising Mothman theory (with receipts)
• And why mystery still pulls us in

Plus: between the cryptids, we talk quitting caffeine, how silence can reset your brain, a new migraine med that actually helps, and what we’d change to make paranormal conferences better (hint: more Q&A, less gatekeeping).

If you’ve ever held belief and doubt in the same breath—this one's for you.

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Transcript

Crunchy habits and quiet minds

SPEAKER_04 0:00

What's something crunchier then that you've done lately?

SPEAKER_03 0:03

Going for our summer. So I stopped drinking caffeine. You know, probably a couple months ago. And it sounds crazy, but I highly recommend it. Okay. Are you awake? It's kind of crazy because you stop relying on the on the caffeine for energy. Yeah. And then I think your body just produces more energy. So I feel more energized now than I did when I was drinking like three to four cups of coffee a day.

SPEAKER_04 0:34

Yeah, you've been drinking a ton of coffee since I've known you.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

Yeah.

unknown 0:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 0:37

What about you, Marianna?

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Uh I've been doing this weird thing where I've been trying to not do anything or like have anything on in the background. Like not meditating, not like any sort of intentional anything, just like sitting there being a person, just like what they must have done in the olden days.

SPEAKER_04 0:57

Like just silence. That's nice though. It's peaceful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

I've just been finding peace.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

That is like that is the most like Zen Crunchy era thing I've ever heard. Like this whole podcast.

unknown 1:11

Like, what?

SPEAKER_03 1:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Just na just just because I have to.

SPEAKER_04 1:24

Welcome to my Crunchy Zen

Meet the guests and the vibe

SPEAKER_04 1:26

era. This is a weekly podcast filled with a little fun, a little humor, and a whole lot of curiosity. I'm your host, Nicole Swisher. And this week we are joined by two folks: Summer Harcup, my lovely producer, all around great gal, and welcome back, Marianna Barksdale, known and loved by the podcast. And this week is kind of exciting because we're talking something pretty special.

Mythical creatures icebreaker

SPEAKER_04 1:55

Summer, what's our opening question?

SPEAKER_03 1:57

So our opening question is if there was a mythical creature that doesn't exist but should exist, what creature should that be? And why?

SPEAKER_04 2:09

I mean, I was thinking about this and I would love for there to be dragons as long as you can ride them, like in Game of Thrones. Are they kind of like like pet dragons? Yeah, except they're more like you're bonded and they can understand you, I guess, and you can be like a dragon rider. I think that'd be pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Like like in the fourth wing?

SPEAKER_04 2:33

Yeah, which I have not read, but yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Like in the romance series, The Fourth Wing, where all of the people are bonded to dragon riders. Were they dragon riders?

SPEAKER_04 2:44

There are so many books and shows where that's the case.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

It's so true. But I just read The Fourth Wing, so it's fresh on my mind. So obviously that's the one I go to. But yes, I'll I'll I'm like, I want Nicole's answer because that was perfect. But also, my new answer is egg tooth ghost.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

Eggtooth ghost. You've had that on your chair since we got here.

SPEAKER_04 3:05

What is that?

SPEAKER_01 3:06

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 3:07

Can you describe it for our audience who's listening?

SPEAKER_01 3:10

It looks like an egg, a tooth, and a ghost if you mush them all together into one thing.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

Also, it's a stuffed animal she's holding up.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Oh, it's a stuffed animal that I'm holding up.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

So where did you get that? And who gave it to you?

SPEAKER_01 3:21

This is from our the big me and Nicole went to a Big Tooth. We went to a Bigfoot conference in May? No, May. July. July.

unknown 3:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 3:35

Yeah. This is in July. Which by the way, we're here to talk about Bigfoot

Bigfoot conference explained

SPEAKER_04 3:39

today.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

Yes. So when you guys say a Bigfoot conference, what exactly was it? Was it just a bunch of people who believe in Bigfoot who all come to East Tennessee and tell each other why they believe in Bigfoot? You want to take that, Marianna, or shall I?

SPEAKER_01 3:54

I feel like you should.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

Okay. So it was there were multiple speakers who were um like professionals at talking about Bigfoot. Some of them were like, let's see, they they were all like over the place of like some were very like scientific. Others were a little bit more like on the woo side of things. And there were multiple like panels and stuff. I don't know how many people there like were Bigfoot like truly believers or Bigfoot Curious or Bigfoot I Wish He Existed.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

So those those are three separate categories. Because I would say I am Bigfoot Curious. I want to know more, which is why I'm asking you, you know, you guys these questions. My I would wonder who had the best evidence that Bigfoot existed. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 4:46

See, I've been thinking a lot about this, and it's not even it wasn't even the Bigfoot speakers because there were other speakers. Like to me, the most compelling speaker was the Skinwalker Ranch guy.

SPEAKER_04 4:58

Yes. The what? Also terrifying. Terrifying Skinwalker

Skinwalker Ranch and the Navajo Ranger

SPEAKER_04 5:02

Ranch guy. And we met him after. But go go explain what that is.

SPEAKER_01 5:06

The Skinwalker Ranch guy. So Skinwalker Ranch is this ranch in Texas. And it is just this is like a hotbed of activity where just a lot of different things have occurred over the years. But a lot of it's happened. Um I don't know how to explain it. It's like a lot of different inexplicable things where they didn't have cell phones, they didn't have cameras, they didn't have a lot of like anything to tell the story, and I think that's why it happened. But they do have photographic evidence of like I don't I don't remember like all of his I don't know. He had this great PowerPoint presentation.

SPEAKER_04 5:46

He did. And what was interesting about him is he wasn't specifically talking Bigfoot. Yeah. He was talking cryptids?

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Yeah, cryptids.

SPEAKER_04 5:55

Um, but so he talked about like he lost time one time. Like he was just like driving, and then like the next thing he knew it was like an hour ahead of time. And like he uh went had this like unexplainable like scratch show up, and he was like talking about um hitchhikers of like spirits where you're like somewhere and then they like hitchhike with you, and it was kind of scary, not gonna lie. And yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

He was a Navajo Ranger, yes, a Navajo Ranger, yeah. Okay, so that was like the thing. He's like a police officer for like the Navajo Nation.

SPEAKER_04 6:34

I think that's how it kind of is, but yeah, I just and the skinwalkers are supposed to be like um, I'm gonna get it wrong. Not they're not like demons, they're like spirits or something along those lines that can take different forms. Yeah. And is one of those forms Bigfoot. I don't know if he actually stated that.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Yeah. They're like these, they're they're almost like uh like a in my head, they were almost like a like a fried dog.

SPEAKER_04 7:02

Yeah, because they he was talking about like somebody had this like mangy

Testimonies: hand-on-face and fear

SPEAKER_04 7:06

dog show up, yeah, which is and then they you know hit it and basically killed it, which was terrible. But then the guy got like super sick and the dog like disappeared, and I think the guy recovered after he went to like the spirit healer or something, and she was like, You had an interaction with a skinwalker.

SPEAKER_03 7:25

So a skinwalker is not inherently evil, yeah, right? I I'm unclear on that note.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

I think they might be.

SPEAKER_04 7:34

So basically like stay away from the skinwalkers. Respect.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, respect sounds good.

unknown 7:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:41

And so some of this, I feel like okay, so this um conference, I originally heard about it because I listened to Nateland and they had a Bigfoot expert on very early on. And he mentioned going to a Bigfoot conference. There's a few around the US. This one was in Gatlinburg at the Smoky Mountains, because that is a hotbed of Bigfoot activity, I think, is my understanding. I'm from Minnesota and we have lots of Bigfoot stuff. Like up in Remer, there's an entire um festival for Bigfoot every year. And I have maybe stayed at a cabin hoping to see a Bigfoot before. So we went and it was like one day of just like panel different things. And so, like the first few panels were like evidence, and then like as you go on, we had like the Navajo Ranger talk, and then they talked about Mothman. And so it was like Bigfoot-centric, I would say the three-fourths of it, and then it was like cryptids in general.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Yeah.

unknown 8:42

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 8:43

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 8:44

You know who was the most compelling argument for Bigfoot? I actually just realized this, and it I was thinking about it because of the the migraine medicine. I just started taking this migraine medicine that makes me feel like I have a hand on my face. Hand on the face guy. I knew it was hand on the face guy.

SPEAKER_04 9:00

Because they had people sharing their Bigfoot experiences. Oh. Like testimonies. I saw Bigfoot, I promise. Yeah. This was great. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

This was great.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

Are you wondering what cryptas are? I am. Okay. Uh they're like, what are they? Like mythical, like creatures that people maybe actually believe.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

It's like the classification that Bigfoot's in.

SPEAKER_04 9:22

Bigfoot, um, the the cat, the wampus cat. Yeah. What? The wampus cat. It's I think it's a local, it's like a a cat that like Wampuses. Wampuses.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

Exactly. It's a cat that wampuses.

What are cryptids, really

SPEAKER_04 9:35

So episode five with Sarah Holofeld that I had on the podcast, she like talks about cryptids a little bit more. And that was what like with the books she wrote, she used that as like a world that she built it out of. If anyone wants to go back and watch that or listen.

SPEAKER_03 9:53

So did everybody there believe in Bigfoot? Were there any Bigfoot deniers? Or is that not a thing at a Bigfoot convention? I mean, no one spoke up.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

Yeah, no, I don't think they would have because the people who believed in Bigfoot, I think, would have fought you. They would seriously. Yeah. No, it was and and they were, you know, like, yeah, they were serious.

SPEAKER_04 10:10

They were serious. And am I remembering correctly that there were like no filming? Oh, yeah. Oh. No, there was no filming. No filming.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

You could take pictures, but you could not film.

SPEAKER_04 10:21

Yeah. You got one with Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Yeah. I did get a picture with Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_04 10:25

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

He put his hand on my head. Hand on face guy though.

SPEAKER_04 10:30

Yeah, hand on face guy. Yeah. He said that he was sleeping out, I didn't catch where, somewhere in the woods at a cabin that his um grandma owned. And he left the window open because they didn't have AC and it was really hot. And he was sleeping, and he woke up to a hand on his face, and it was like hairy and smelly. And he like jumped up on his bed and like screamed, and he saw Bigfoot like walking away from his window. Wow. Yeah. That's terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. And then he was like, Don't go into the woods. Don't

Why no photos? Portals and EMFs

SPEAKER_04 11:06

go in the woods alone. I he's like, I used to be an outdoorsman. I won't go in the woods anymore. Which feels compelling.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Yeah. No, that was compelling to me because I'm very much like outdoorsy and I'm like, well, not that outdoorsy, but like if anyone was like, Oh, I don't go outside anymore, I'm like, oh, that's a big deal.

SPEAKER_03 11:23

Yeah. I think it'd be really hard if you have a bunch of people, you know, in a at a at a conference and they all swear that they've seen Bigfoot or they've seen something that, you know, suggests that Bigfoot is real, I think it'd be really hard to say, no, no, what you're what you saw and what everybody else in this room saw is not true.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

I think there's strength in numbers, is what I'm saying. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 11:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:46

Maybe everyone walks away and they're like, well, maybe not after. But like when you're there, you're like, absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 11:54

So, you know, when I was preparing for this, I started going down this rabbit hole of what Bigfoot is. And there's some people who believe that there's some sort of alien connection, that Bigfoot is an physical embodiment of the paranormal. I mean, is that something that came up at the conference?

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Oh, it did.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Really? Take it away, Mariana.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Wonder you should mention that. There's a whole theory. It's called the portal theory. Is this the portal theory?

SPEAKER_03 12:24

The portal theory. I think it's related.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Okay. I feel like this is so there's this theory, the portal theory, that there's other dimensions that are on Earth where the Bigfoot basically comes in and out of this other dimension of time. And and I think that there's other creatures in that dimension that might be what other people consider to be aliens or what we would consider to be aliens. Or alien to us. You know what I mean? Like they're just not what we are. Um but I don't know if that necessarily feeds into that it he it is an alien, you know.

SPEAKER_04 13:00

But there's like belie some people like, have you ever seen the pictures of Bigfoot being taken up by the spaceship? I think I've seen like Or the uh bumper sticker. Yes. Yeah, yes, like there's definitely people who believe it's a legitimate like alien.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Okay, yeah. Yeah. I knew that too.

SPEAKER_04 13:16

But there's definitely like the portal theory because they're like, well, how can't you find him? Right. How does he quickly go? One question that came up was like, why aren't there more pictures of him?

SPEAKER_00 13:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:27

And

Bodies, bears, and vanishing evidence

SPEAKER_04 13:28

the expert panel got into this, and it was like it started off like generally kind of normal of like, well, he like moves quickly, he's camouflaged, and then it like got progressively more woo-woo. And then they're like, Well, all the electronics break around him, and then I I feel like it got into like the portal theory. Yeah, and it was like an extreme on that panel, it was fabulous.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Yeah, no, that was a great panel. I feel like it wasn't even that woo-woo with the the electronics breaking around him necessarily. Like, I am like, yeah, obviously electronics break around him. Uh duh.

SPEAKER_04 14:06

So we went up to a podcaster after this, and I was like, I said, is it possible that they're not getting pictures of Bigfoot because he's really sensitive to um electromagnetic uh EM oh my gosh, I can't think of the word. EMFs. EMFs, thank you. Yeah, EMFs. And then he just like, I don't quite didn't quite understand his response, but I don't think he understood what I was saying either. And so then he went into the electronics all breaking and he claimed he had like seen him, maybe, and his but his camera broke, and so he just didn't get it like the picture.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

So I feel like that there are some old school cameras out there that are mechanical to the extent that they're not digital, that you could sit there with them in the woods with like someone or something that's still enough and take just time-lapse pictures enough to that you would get one eventually.

SPEAKER_04 15:01

Yeah, but I don't know. Are you saying you don't believe Marianna?

SPEAKER_01 15:05

No, I do believe. I really believe that he that they break the digital cameras. I do, like that's the thing. I'm I'm on their side.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

I just something I find odd is nobody's ever found a body, right? Yeah, nobody's ever found

Mothman talk and changing minds

SPEAKER_03 15:20

and right. I mean, unless there's something at the conference. I mean, the no, there is no body that's ever been found.

SPEAKER_04 15:25

Yeah, so the argument they give is that like you hardly ever find like dead bears either because the animals in the forest all like eat them up and stuff. Okay. I'm not saying that's inaccurate, but maybe it's the portal, maybe it disappears.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

Yeah, I will say my cat kills a lot of animals and they generally explode within a day because of the maggots. So yeah, it's disgusting. And I know bigger animals are different, but and that this is not anywhere near the same size as these little birds, but nature does work its way, you know, pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_03 16:04

So w when you were there, I mean was who's who's the best dressed?

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Who?

SPEAKER_03 16:13

Yeah, was there I pictured that lady.

SPEAKER_04 16:15

That lady. The um moth lady?

SPEAKER_01 16:18

Yeah, moth lady. Oh my god, moth lady. Wait, so her hair, the moth lady, she had this amazing hair. We should, I should have looked up her name.

SPEAKER_04 16:27

Her hair went down to like her knees.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Yeah, it was incredible. It was like it was like ice blonde. Why didn't I look up her name?

SPEAKER_04 16:34

Natural?

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Uh no. I was like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 16:38

I think that's a no, but who cares?

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Gorgeous. Yeah. I think Moth Lady was the best dress. What do you think?

SPEAKER_04 16:45

We're calling her Moth Lady because she did the whole presentation on Mothman.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Yeah. Which I now don't believe in.

SPEAKER_04 16:51

So what is Mothman? Marianna, I think you know more about this.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

Okay, yeah, I do. Because I was kind of obsessed with the movie The Mothman Prophecies. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_03 17:02

I never saw it, but I was it was it who's the actor?

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Dustin Hoffman. I think it's Dustin Hoffman. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

I don't know. I know it came out in 2001. Yeah, it's like a like a while ago.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

Yeah, so it's about basically the this bridge collapsing, and everybody's was like, oh, we saw Mothman right before it collapsed. And I was obsessed and I believed in Mothman like from 2001 until this conference. Really? And then she went over like every scrap of evidence that's ever happened of Mothman, and I was like, oh, I don't believe in it anymore.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

What did she provide to you that made you say, okay, Mothman doesn't exist?

SPEAKER_04 17:37

I think it was just she like went over everything, every detail of like how the reports she had gone back in into like the archives of like news clippings, and she presented other possible birds birds that it could have been, and that it had never like shown up again, basically. And there was actually like the bridge collapsing, there was a physical thing that caused it. Yeah.

Crowd dynamics and belief

SPEAKER_04 18:07

It wasn't just like boom, it went.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

Oh, so the the whole premise of Mothman is that when Mothman shows up, something bad's gonna happen. Is that kind of the implication? Yeah, yeah. And then is it a giant moth?

SPEAKER_04 18:18

I mean, I don't So it's like a big man with big wings.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Yeah, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:23

I hadn't heard of him till I like saw the pamphlet. I'm not up on my cryptids too much, but gosh. I mean it's definitely creepy.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Yeah, very creepy. Great myth. But also, she was very much just like, you guys are like the fans and the reason we're here, and like she kind of did like the playing to the crowd a little bit, and I was like, Oh yeah, we're the reason you're eating.

SPEAKER_04 18:43

Yeah, she was like hyping the crowd at the end.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Yeah. But I like I love really enjoyed what she was saying, and like, you know, I liked le listening to it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:53

Did every anybody have a uh I guess a testimony where you're like they're they're telling the truth. Like they I believe them. I they they said that they saw Bigfoot and I believe what they said.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

I mean, I believed two of the three testimonies.

SPEAKER_04 19:07

I wonder if it's the same one. The other one I believed, you want to say it? I bet you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

The woman?

SPEAKER_04 19:12

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

In the wheelchair. The woman in the wheelchair, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

Yeah, what was her testimony?

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Oh, we could do it ver verbatim. You want to do it together?

SPEAKER_03 19:20

We could try.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

Okay. She was like, also Bigfoot. He was very big.

SPEAKER_04 19:29

Okay, there was a little more to it. That was like her mic drop. And then they did like they like seen him across a um parking lot or something.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:40

And she was like, and then we didn't we didn't know what he was. We went home and we didn't have the internet, and then I told somebody about what it was, and they were like, that's a bigfoot. And she was like, and he was very big.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Yeah. She was great. Yeah, she was great. Kathy.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

Just very we named her Kathy. Not her name. Not her real name. Not her name.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

Is it

If you saw Bigfoot, what then

SPEAKER_03 20:04

like one of those things where you know somebody goes and says, like, I saw Bigfoot, and then like the crowd gets really amped and they cheer, like, yeah, like or is it or is it very calm and subtle?

SPEAKER_04 20:13

Okay. And okay, the best part is that they only got like four, I think, four people, maybe three, to do these, and it's like they ran out of people to share. So the guy started just like reading a book.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:27

It was fabulous. Oh, I was so boring.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

I looked it up on the website though, so they had slots for 10 people because you could have a slot for a 10-minute spot. Wow. For a 10-minute story, because there was one guy that had like every story shoved into like his little spot. He just kept going and going and going. We called him the Rambler.

SPEAKER_04 20:50

Okay. And did you believe him? No. He he had too many, like you know, when someone's lying, they provide too many details. Yes. That's what he was doing.

SPEAKER_03 21:01

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 21:01

And he and it was like, and my dad said this, and then my sister, you know, we didn't want to tell her anything because she goes to that cabin and we didn't want her to be scared that there might be a giant man out there, which I don't tell your sister. Why would you let your sister go to a cabin in the middle of nowhere knowing there's a Bigfoot, or if not a Bigfoot, a giant man walking around? I had a problem with that. But he just like, I don't know, just so many details, so many ramblings, and he just kept going. I timed him because I was like, is he gonna stop? He went like eight minutes straight, and then Marianna told me later he had 10 minutes, so I was like, well, I guess he did a good job by stuff.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Yeah, he didn't even run the light. He didn't run the light. Wow, he had two more minutes. I looked that up on the website because I was like, maybe we'll like submit a story. But I didn't want to be like that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 21:54

If you guys saw Bigfoot, and I mean like really saw Bigfoot, what would you do? Because I would whip out my iPhone and try to get a picture.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Oh, and then he and then you run away, you wouldn't be able to get one. You break your phone.

SPEAKER_04 22:08

I

Culture, Yetis, and Native stories

SPEAKER_04 22:09

think I would just freeze. Because I feel like it would be like the same if I encountered like a bear or something. I just kind of like freeze, which is not what you're supposed to do for the record, but yeah, and we're not supposed to do that for a bear. No, which we almost saw a bear.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

We did almost see a bear.

SPEAKER_04 22:25

Really? So we were hiking, so we went to the mountains, obviously. I know we just got sidetracked, but we were hiking very early because the smokies get insanely busy. And so there weren't like a ton of people ahead of us. And we like came up to these people and they're like, There's a bear up there, and they were just like waiting for it to go away, and they like didn't know what to do because they don't hike. I mean, I know what to do, I still don't think I would have done it. But then we like went to the waterfall and then these people were coming back and they were like, Are there a lot of people there? Because we had this bear like following us or something, and yeah, so it was intense. How do you know that that wasn't Bigfoot?

SPEAKER_03 23:06

Because I feel like at a Bigfoot convention, if Bigfoot shows up, I mean that is the ultimate convention. That's the ultimate. Right. I don't know, we just have to take these people's word for it because we didn't see it. I don't think we even heard it. Yeah, sad. So do people go to this convention? It's an annual convention? Yes. Every single year. Yeah. And people like submit to be speakers. Is there is there a bigfoot? Who decides like who gets to speak? Like who gets to be the expert on this?

SPEAKER_04 23:34

I don't know. I mean, there must have been a bigfoot committee or something.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:38

There must have been something. Like some whoever was running the conference, they take it very seriously.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

They organize a cruise as well.

SPEAKER_03 23:46

There's a Bigfoot cruise.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

I think we should go on the Bigfoot cruise.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

Wait, so Bigfoot cruise go.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Alaska.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

Really, obviously. I mean, and then like other excursions that are all related to Bigfoot?

SPEAKER_01 24:00

No. No. I think it's just a I think it's just like a hangout talk about Bigfoot cruise.

SPEAKER_03 24:05

Community. Yeah.

Is Bigfoot dangerous or shy

SPEAKER_03 24:06

I get this that the the Bigfoot thing, it's it seems like a group, like almost like an identity. Like I feel like these people are probably really tied into this belief, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

Like consumes them.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

Yeah, there's a camaraderie for sure.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:23

Were there so they had Bigfoot, they had Mothman. Were there any other things that were discussed at the conference? Any other cryptids, I think is the word you used. That is the word.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Were there I don't think they're they didn't talk about a lot of the lesser cryptids, although I think that would have been super interesting, especially because Eggtooth Ghost, I mean, what? Like, how cool is this little guy? I know he existed. He's so cute.

SPEAKER_04 24:48

He might be a made-up one though. He could be all the others are true, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

I mean, obviously. Obviously.

SPEAKER_04 24:54

I think the like the the Navajo Ranger, we talked to him. Yeah, that was clear. Yeah. Yeah, because we were a little tired. So we'd found like a little spot and then he was like walking by. And so we actually got to ask him a couple more questions. And I don't he like I had asked him about the scratch because he just was like, I got a scratch. And then he just like moved on. I was like, what are we talking about? He said that like he it just like showed up when they were I don't even remember what was.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Like they were Well, he said the scratch started like here and then went all the way around his arm and ended up over here.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

Mm-hmm. And he didn't remember it happening. It just, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

But he said he would be driving down the road and he'd be like, specifically in one area. So he, you know, he you're in the middle of like Texas or or like the West, and you're like somewhere, and he'd be going to get an oil change, and he'd know how many miles were on his car, and then all of a sudden he'd be 30 miles down the road or like 30 minutes down the road. I can't remember what the amount was. But you know how you're just like, you don't tune out that much.

SPEAKER_03 25:59

So you know they kind of went through this portal of time.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

That's what it sounded like.

SPEAKER_04 26:04

It was that or somebody moved him. Yeah, moved him, or like I wasn't sure which he was getting at.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Or like from what I think of with like alien

What is Bigfoot: primate, alien, Nephilim

SPEAKER_01 26:14

abductions, is like they take you and then you lose the time, and then you can you can go back and regress to it, I think, with like hypnosis.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

I think that guy should have regression.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

I should have wished I'd asked him about that.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

We'll go back.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

You should you guys, yeah. Maybe I'll join.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

No, that sounds like a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

I have two other friends who want to go so bad.

SPEAKER_04 26:34

Bryn wants to go now.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:35

Uh uh uh Yeah, and I feel like there was somebody else. I feel like you wanted to go.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

I have two other friends. I have a scientist friend that wants to go really bad.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

I think I don't know, I feel like I'm a very objective person. So I would want to know hard facts, right? Like I would want to, it's like I would want them to prove to me that Bigfoot existed.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

I feel like we should sit up front next time though. Okay. Yeah, we're closer. Closer.

SPEAKER_04 26:57

Yeah. I mean, it was fascinating. I still like that Navajo guy kind of like he was very legitimate. Yeah. Yeah. And it kind of creeped me out a little bit. Super nice. Oh yeah. But yeah, I got the creeps a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

No, I know his life was scary, scary to me. Like his existence scared me. Not like him. He was great. He was a nice person. But like what he went through, like actually scared me. And I was so happy I didn't live in the West.

SPEAKER_03 27:27

So are Bigfoot intrinsically trying to harm humans? Or are is Bigfoot a friendly creature? I don't think he's either.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

Like I think that Bigfoot is is not trying to harm people. He just like wants to be left alone, very like solitary. And so we're like more and more encroaching on his territory. And so when you he's very territorial, that's one way thing we learned. And so when like campers or anyone like come into their territory, they like start to like throw things and try to like scare you away.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Yeah. I think.

SPEAKER_03 28:02

So what is that?

SPEAKER_01 28:04

That's the noise they make.

unknown 28:05

Whoop.

SPEAKER_03 28:06

Can't do it. The Bigfoot call.

unknown 28:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

That's the Bigfoot call. So if you haven't seen Willow Creek, that's Bobcat Goldplate's um found footage horror movie about Bigfoots.

SPEAKER_04 28:19

I say Bigfoot, Big Feet, Bigfoot, Big Feet.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

Because there's multiple,

Conference life: hats, camo, VIP rows

SPEAKER_03 28:24

right? Bigfoot. They're like they're multiple Bigfoots.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

It's a good grammar question. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Are they all big foot?

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Because you'd think I don't know. No.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

No, because in that old video, they said it was a woman because of her breasts. Obviously. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

So the lady Bigfoot. They talk about anatomy. Remember?

SPEAKER_04 28:48

Yes. Yes. Oh, and then the guy with the hand on face guy.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

He said he thought it was like a younger Bigfoot because it was just like curious because he was snoring and it wanted to know what that noise was. So like a child Bigfoot or like a teenager. Like a teenager.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

I wonder in our lifetime if people will be able to irrefutably determine that like Bigfoot is real.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

That'd be amazing. Yeah. I feel like we're going to have too much technology around soon. Too much 5G. It's going to drive them all away in the next dimension. I don't know. That's just my own theory. Yeah. I think singularity is going to drive them away.

SPEAKER_04 29:28

What's singularity?

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Uh, when computers can think.

SPEAKER_04 29:32

Oh, like AI. That'll drive me away too.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Yes. I know, right?

SPEAKER_04 29:36

We'll go live with Bigfoot. We want to come with you.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

The Bigfoot's. We don't, they won't care about grammar.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

I get the impression that Bigfoot doesn't want to be seen. Yes. Or it doesn't want to be recorded. I wonder why that is. Like, why is Bigfoot so like such an introvert?

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Such an introvert. I never thought about Bigfoot that way, but I feel like that's perfect. That's a good reason. Is an introvert? Yeah. Yeah. I had a shirt during COVID. That said it had Bigfoot on it and it said social distancing champion.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Yeah.

Vendors, merch, and the after-party dream

SPEAKER_04 30:05

And I wish I'd worn that today.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

Yeah. Definitely. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

But I mean, I feel like it there's a lot of animals that are like that that don't want to be near people. Mariana. And it took forever for people to find a gorilla. People didn't believe the gorilla existed until somebody finally like shot it and brought it back to England.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:33

But I I think it was the 19th century. Oh wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

I don't know. I just feel like anything that's that big and that like not dependent on any sort of society in general, like, why wouldn't you stay hidden, you know?

SPEAKER_03 30:49

And so it's not a human thing. It this is this is like pure animal. I feel like there's something there. Okay, we have- It's a monkey.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Can you do you remember? It's a monkey.

SPEAKER_04 30:59

Well, that's what Marianna believes. That's what I think. Why is it a monkey?

SPEAKER_01 31:03

Because it looks like a monkey.

SPEAKER_04 31:04

It looks like a monkey. Yes. But but some of the people on the panel said that it's like I do believe someone said it was an alien. Yes. Someone said it was part monkey or primate. Primate. The North American primate. Another one said it was half human, half Nephilim. What's that? Oh yeah. So it's the Bible from the Bible. It's half human, half angel. Oh. And then another one said it's half, or it's a descendant of Cain. The first murderer.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

Yes. So that that's controversial topic. It's controversial. I think people have so much fascination with Bigfoot

Experts vs eyewitnesses

SPEAKER_03 31:48

because it does have a human aspect to it. And it walks like a human. That that's what gets me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

It walks like a like a divorced dad, you know? It's got quite a gate on it, you know?

SPEAKER_03 32:03

It's just well, there you have it, folks. Bigfoot. Divorced dad. I don't know. Yeah. So what do you eat at a Bigfoot conference?

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Oh, nachos.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

Nachos. Nachos. I feel like they I wanted something more creative. They were selling concessions.

SPEAKER_04 32:25

Just like your normal concessions.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

But I got nachos. Yes. Because it was too trafficy to like stop, and I didn't want to get anything else. So I got nachos and I was like, Can we have extra cheese? Yeah. I got he got me like four cheeses, and me and Nicole like balanced them all on the way to the car. I love that. It's like in 120-degree heat.

SPEAKER_03 32:47

Right. Because it's in the middle of the summertime.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

Oh, it was amazing.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

It was glorious.

SPEAKER_04 32:50

And okay, it's so weird where it's taking place because it's in the um convention center in Gatlinburg. Okay. And so we like show up and there's just tourists everywhere because it's Gatlinburg. And so when we did go out to eat, we went to like five guys, and we're just squishing past all these like families just touring Gatlinburg. And then there's all these people with Bigfoot paraphernalia walking around. And I just imagine, like, what were those families like? Where are we? Yeah. How many people were at the convention? Like 200, 300? It's a lot of people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

Definitely enough to fit in a comedy club.

SPEAKER_04 33:33

It was like, yeah. And it it was only half full, like, of how many chairs they actually had out.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Yeah, there was a lot of chairs empty.

SPEAKER_04 33:42

We really anticipated more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:45

High hopes.

Bigfoot shirts we already own

SPEAKER_01 33:46

I wonder if that's like how full the convention they always put out that many for a convention thing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 33:52

But that's why we had to sit further back. It was because there was like VIP this and then this type of VIP and then this one. And then we did just did general admission. So we were like way back. Were there like honored guests? I mean, if you bought the ticket. Okay. So there, I mean, there were people who bought front row tickets. Yeah. And they were like, they paid what, like 300 bucks?

SPEAKER_01 34:16

I will say most people bought the VIP ticket. Yes, they did. We were like the we were amongst like maybe 30 people hanging out in the back. Like we were the bad kids in the back. Which is like a first for me. I was usually the one in the front of the class.

SPEAKER_04 34:31

Yeah, that's so funny. And then there's vendors. Uh huh. So you can't forget the vent. That's where egg tooth ghosts came from. That's where Mary Eggdockers were egg tooth ghosts. Adorable. Thank you. Um, so lots of Bigfoot stuff, shirts, I don't even know. All the things. Yeah. Stuffed animals, um, podcasters, yeah. Uh-huh. Stickers. Signs. Yeah. So I think that next year we could go in as a vendor and we could sell some stuff. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

All kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 35:02

Friendship bracelets. All sorts of stuff. Yeah. Friendship, friendship. Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

Oh, that'd be fun. Oh, I would do

Current obsessions: home reno and migraines

SPEAKER_01 35:10

that. We should start making stuff now.

SPEAKER_04 35:11

We definitely should.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

In my mind, Bigfoot is an American thing. Right? Like Minnesota, people be gonna Utah, New Mexico. I'd be so interested to know if people from China or Europe are also on board with this.

SPEAKER_04 35:27

Isn't it the Yeti? Oh yeah. Yeah. In the is it in Nepal? Where the there's like a mountainous area there. And so they over there it's the Yeti because it's white. And so it blends in with the snow.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

So different cultures have it. Like Native Americans have stories about Bigfoot. Like it goes way back.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

Yeah. Well that they have stories about working with Bigfoot. Don't they? Isn't that what they said?

SPEAKER_04 35:54

I think so.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

I think that they had little they touched on that like uh anecdotes about um Native Americans working with Bigfoot. Bigfoots. I don't know. Big feet. Big feet. Yeah. The Big Feet. You know. Um you just uh like helping them build things and and like live.

SPEAKER_03 36:14

Yeah. To me, I couldn't imagine just doing my job, you know, digging whatever I needed, like building my blocks, and then having the Bigfoot hand me a block. I mean that that to me that's or whatever, whatever they did. Yeah. I mean that that sounds absolutely crazy. I don't think I can handle that.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

That sounds amazing to me. That's like my calling. Yeah. Be like that'd be like being friends with a wrestler. That'd be like being friends with Brock Lesnar. That would be like being friends with Brock Lesnar.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Someone and I were like, Y'all don't know who

Recommendations: infrared saunas and comedy

SPEAKER_01 36:45

we know who that is. We don't do wrestling. Yes, Mary. That would be like Andre the Giant handing stuff. Okay. Nope.

SPEAKER_03 36:56

Couldn't pick them out in a lineup, but I knew the name.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

I feel like that would be so fun.

SPEAKER_03 37:00

Yeah. And and Bigfoot like doesn't speak English, right? Like it is.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

Good question.

SPEAKER_04 37:06

I have so many thoughts, but I didn't get the impression that it did.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

I don't think it speaks, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 37:12

They have like grunts and whistles. That's how they communicate. Yeah. Kind of like monkeys. Yeah. Like monkeys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

But I don't think they have language. Not that we they didn't get to that part. What a good question. You're coming next year.

SPEAKER_04 37:24

Okay, I'll come next year and ask. Here's my complaint to the Bigfoot Conference. Yeah. There were no there wasn't a question and answer session. Really? Yeah. Ever. I feel like I'd go wild. I don't know. You'd fit in. You'd do great.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

Yeah, I know. I honestly wish you could even submit questions beforehand.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

Yeah, and I think that they wanted to like keep a hold on everything.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I bet it can go off the rails pretty quick.

SPEAKER_03 37:51

So they don't want like bigfoot deniers, is what you're saying. Or like people challenging that. They wanted could be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:58

Yeah. Well, I feel like it's already hard enough to like put the conference on in the first place. So, you know, they're like, well, it's already hard enough to like get the enthusiasm up. We don't want to have like open the door for it, would almost be like having a question answer like for comedy.

Looking forward: fall and donuts

SPEAKER_03 38:15

Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

You know?

SPEAKER_03 38:16

Yeah. Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

Maybe that's what they think would happen.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

So you're trying to basically like keep the momentum going. Yeah. And I actually think everyone there was super nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:26

I mean, it they are probably exactly as everyone listening is picturing them. What they look like, how they act a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

I feel like a lot of people would be wearing just really interesting hats.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

Yeah. A lot of hats. Oh. A lot of camo. My goodness. Camo.

SPEAKER_01 38:42

You don't understand. Like one of the main guys had on a leather cowboy hat that like I can't stop thinking about, actually.

SPEAKER_04 38:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

There were so many good heads.

SPEAKER_03 38:52

There were. Exactly what you would expect. Yeah. Camo. I wouldn't expect camo. I'm really blended. Well, hunters.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

It's a big hunt. A lot of hunters.

SPEAKER_04 39:01

Okay. Outdoorsmen.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

Yeah. I mean, I'm obsessed with camo.

SPEAKER_04 39:04

Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 39:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

Well, yes, I guess it was. Everybody became obsessed with camo in the last few years and I stopped. But I used to wear a lot of camo.

SPEAKER_04 39:13

I like camo. You were on the cutting edge. You're like, I know.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Then everybody took it and it's not as cool.

SPEAKER_03 39:19

I think you'd still wear it. Yeah. Be who you want to be.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

Yeah. I know.

SPEAKER_03 39:24

That's pretty neat. Um, are you guys gonna go back for sure? Like, is that are you guys like planning on it? I think it'd be fun. I think it'd be so fun. I w I wanna go. Yeah. I mean, I think it'd be really, really interesting. But I would want to suggest that they have a question answer answer session. Yeah. Maybe we can submit suggestions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

I think we could write in right now and like be like, can we help you plan this?

SPEAKER_03 39:47

So are we gonna like throw a coup and actually we're gonna be putting on the comments?

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Like, I think we'd actually be like, hey, I know you guys are really busy at your old folks' home. Yes. There were a lot of older people.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

How many women in their 30s

Positive psychology and work

SPEAKER_03 40:05

were there?

SPEAKER_01 40:05

That would be you and me. Really?

SPEAKER_04 40:08

Two. Exactly two.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

I think I well, I do believe there were a few other women that were there with their husbands. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

Yeah. Well, yeah, that's a good point. There were no other women that were just there together.

SPEAKER_04 40:21

Observing.

SPEAKER_01 40:22

Observ. There were no women that were there outside of being there in a couple.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

Got it.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

Like they were not of their of their own free volition.

SPEAKER_03 40:32

It'd be funny to me, like, if there's like the convention and there's like the bigfoot after party, like where everybody like meets. I would go to That's a good idea. See, we should plan it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

See, this is what I mean is like I think we could do a good job planning it.

SPEAKER_03 40:43

Yeah. And and it's like to meet, I don't know, like-minded folks, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

I think it could have been a funner way to like get the ideas flowing. Like we can really find this guy. Right. This foot. This foot.

SPEAKER_04 40:58

This guy thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

I'm obsessed with Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_04 41:01

I would definitely go again.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:02

It was fun.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

Yeah. Especially if you go too.

SPEAKER_04 41:05

I I know I I would love to go. Yeah. But I imagine this group of women in their 30s just showing up.

unknown 41:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

My friend that's a scientist wants to go so bad. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

Oh my god, Kelly. Oh my god, Kelly here.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

I feel like I feel like people, I don't know. I I feel like there's a lot to unpack there.

unknown 41:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:21

I think that the two testimonies were very interesting. Yeah. But I was not impressed with the actual experts. Why did you believe the testimonies? It was just like the way they said them, just like very genuine. It was the two. They were just very like no nonsense. Like the guy who got up there was very nervous. Yeah. And like he just seemed I don't know, just like really uncomfortable. Like he wasn't sure why he was sharing it.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

And then the lady just was like to the point and moved on. To me, like the people who lie want more

Where to find us and sign-off

SPEAKER_04 42:00

and more time or they want the attention in the spotlight. Yeah. Um, but I didn't feel like the experts brought anything like concrete.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

So yeah, I wish that they had been if they had all been more like the skinwalker ranch guy, like that's why I bring him up so much, is that I liked his concrete evidence. Here's a photo of this, here's a photo of that. Like I just like it was easier to follow him. And it was just very compelling.

SPEAKER_04 42:28

And also he had a lot more first hand stories. Yeah. Whereas these other people were just kind of like they had none of them had actually experienced anything firsthand.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Yeah. The experts. They wanted to a lot. You could tell they were chomping at the bit real bad to like.

SPEAKER_03 42:45

But this guy was legit because like stuff happened to him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:48

A lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

The other thing was that the people that stuff had happened to, clearly they didn't want to have stuff happen to them. And then the people who like wanted stuff to happen to them, like they will never have a bigfoot encounter ever in their entire life because they want it way too bad. You know? They're driving it away. It's just like social media. You drive that away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:12

Do you have any other questions, Summer?

SPEAKER_03 43:15

Uh my last question would be uh if you guys got a Bigfoot shirt, what would the Bigfoot shirt say? And why? Why do you assume I don't have three Bigfoot shirts?

SPEAKER_04 43:26

Wait, three Bigfoot shirts. What did they say? Social distancing champion. It's pink with the Bigfoot. Yes. And then I have one that's from a podcast called Wild Thing that I love. And it's like Bigfoot footprints and then like high heels. You wore that one. And then the other one is a sweatshirt and it has a Bigfoot on it and says Bigfoot doesn't believe in you either. I love that. I also have multiple stickers and paraphernalia. Which people I've I've bought the shirts, but people just like give me Bigfoot stuff now. Because you're like a Bigfoot person. Like you're one of those people. I mean, I do have big feet, yes. But I have like I like Bigfoot. I'm like he was a Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

He was very big. I don't know what I would put on the I haven't had enough thought to put in it. But I would just take one of your shirts.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

That that's totally. You know Kevin Hart and he's like doing like the like that look. Yeah. Mine would just be that, and then just it just says like he's real, and then on the back is a picture of Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

Oh, I like that. See? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:36

We could be vendors. That would be the shirt. I think people would buy that. I think.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

I feel like we would crush this. We could be the vendors, the organizers.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

Taking over the conference. The after party organizer. I'll do the after party. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

I just feel like we can make this really fun for these people.

SPEAKER_03 44:51

I think so too.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

What are you guys obsessing over lately?

unknown 44:57

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

You want to go first?

SPEAKER_03 44:58

Yeah. So I am obsessing over uh designing my house in a low budget way, but making it cute. So I guess low budget renovation.

SPEAKER_04 45:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

What's your what's the favorite thing that you have gotten for it? So I redid my dining room and got uh basically painted uh the lower half of the walls green and then put photographs of basically large floral photographs in the back of the dining room, and I got them all off Etsy. Their prints are like $2 a piece. Nice. Frame them and then put that up in my uh my dining room. Cute. Love it.

unknown 45:33

I love that.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Oh, that's nice. Um, I'm obsessed with my new migraine medicine. It's called Topamax, but I call it Gleaminex.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

And this is not an ad for Topamax, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

It's not, and actually don't take it because like I understand why most people do not like it. Um, I love it. It feels like there's a hand on my face all the time.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

It's not Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

It's not Bigfoot, but it's kind of like the hands like this. I don't know. It's I like it. It's just a really cool and um I just feel happy all the time. It feels like I'm gonna have a huge problem later on. But yeah, it's great. I haven't had a migraine in four days. That doesn't sound like a long time for most people. I usually have four migraines a week.

SPEAKER_04 46:16

Oh wow. I thought it gotten better even. It has, I mean we don't need to explore your medical history. I know, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 46:23

It's like I usually have between three and four migraines a week.

SPEAKER_03 46:27

So that's it. It's helping. Yeah, me too. Yeah.

unknown 46:32

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 46:32

That's it. That's my thing.

SPEAKER_04 46:34

So because there's three of us today, we decided to come up with recommendations together. Summer, what is our first recommendation? Our first recommendation is uh to use infrared sauna. Yes. Because we are all all big fans of infrared saunas. Yes, yes. Highly recommend.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

Wait, where do you go?

SPEAKER_04 46:53

Uh well, I've gone to Pure Sweat.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

Yeah, that one is really, really good. That's really okay.

SPEAKER_04 46:58

Yeah, we love Pure Sweat. They've also um okay, so Summer also produced we started producing Together Cheaper than Therapy. Yes. She's always been behind the scenes or dressed up as a tree. I think dressed up as a tree. I didn't know. And now Marianna has joined us helping. So Pierce Wet and Flo has um sponsored us multiple times now. Them and then The Butcher, the New York butcher. Yes, yes. Big fan. Also a therapy office has sponsored us. We love our sponsors. Yes. Marianna, what is our other recommendation?

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Uh a local favorite comedian who's also a Bigfoot enthusiast, Mr. John Dollar, who just won Louisville's favorite comedian. Amazing.

SPEAKER_03 47:44

He was on our first cheaper than therapy back like two years ago. And he brought down the house. He was so good.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

He was so good. He's so funny. He's so funny. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 47:57

He like got caught up in the black curtain accidentally. Of course he doesn't remember that. Yeah. I don't remember what he's just flipping around and then I don't know. He doesn't know that we're doing a shadow. No, he doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 48:09

I can't wait for him to see this. He's one of my favorite people. He's amazing. Yeah. No, we need to clip this for him. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:15

He's super funny, super nice, very professional to have on a show. Oh, yeah. Love having him on the show. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

So no notes.

SPEAKER_04 48:23

No notes.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

I don't have that to say about many men.

SPEAKER_04 48:26

And then he is a he has a Bigfoot joke.

SPEAKER_01 48:29

Yeah. So we won't give it away.

SPEAKER_04 48:31

We won't. No, we won't give it away. But people should go watch him.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

He's a Bigfoot enthusiast as well. If I didn't say that already.

SPEAKER_04 48:38

Yeah, that's the right word. Enthusiast. Enthusiast. What are you guys looking forward to this week?

SPEAKER_03 48:44

To be honest, this is what I was looking forward to. Yay. For me, I mean I've I've been behind the scenes for you know two and two years. And I I don't know. Thank you for uh letting me come on the podcast and be a be a guest where usually I'm sitting in the corner. We don't force her into the corner. She just I'm in the corner by choice, but this is what I was looking forward to.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

Aww. I'm uh this is also what I was looking forward to all week because I've been sitting at my house. Like, does the migraine medicine work? Does the migraine medicine work? That's been my week. But I'm looking forward to fall, hopefully, although today it's not very fall. And apple cider donuts. I don't know if you guys partake in those.

SPEAKER_03 49:29

I don't know if I've ever tried them.

SPEAKER_01 49:30

We're gonna we should go to this orchard that I found in Mount Juliet called Breden's Orchard. They have apple cider donuts. And they are very magical.

SPEAKER_04 49:40

Sounds magical. I've made um, I make my own pumpkin donuts.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

Or we could make apple cider donuts so that then they're gluten-free.

SPEAKER_04 49:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:49

Because obviously.

SPEAKER_04 49:50

It is really hard to get a really good gluten-free donut. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

You know, I bet that they have conquered it. I bet they have. In Little Rock, they have. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:59

Because I've ate ate them multiple times. Yeah. They're really good.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

Little Rock, they get it.

unknown 50:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

Fascinating. Um, I'm looking forward to I'm meeting with a business development coach tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:13

And I'm like, I hit it off with her. She's super nice. She's actually gonna be on the podcast later. Um, but she uh is really into positive psychology, which is something that I got into like 10 years ago, and it's it's very fascinating. And she's actually going through the master's program at Penn State that I looked into when I was obsessing over it.

SPEAKER_03 50:35

What is positive psychology?

SPEAKER_04 50:37

Yeah, so they're they've studied how like positive thinking can like improve like how how you I mean how you think, how you act, how you work, and everything. So for example, every night write down like three positive things, and like that actually has they can scientifically show it has a improved effect on your life. I I so believe that.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

Oh yeah, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_04 51:04

Yeah, so it there's a lot more to it than that, but that was the basic premise. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

I love that.

SPEAKER_04 51:10

Yeah. So um, Marianna, where can people find you?

SPEAKER_01 51:16

On my Instagram. Uh it's Marianna underscore Barkstell. And then my YouTube, which I can't remember what the handle is.

SPEAKER_04 51:24

We can link. And I'm sorry, but nobody gets to find Summer. Yeah. She's mysterious. She's chosen to remain behind the curtain.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

I'm just Summer. It's like it's just Summer.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

She's our friend. She's not your friend.

SPEAKER_04 51:42

I guess. But thank you, Summer, for coming on. It's it's been fun having you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

Yeah, that's fun. Two years in the making. We got her. Yeah. No, yeah, this is like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 52:00

Yeah. And of course, Marianna, it's great to have you back. Yes, thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

This was awesome.

SPEAKER_04 52:05

Yeah, thank you guys uh for watching and listening. Uh, please follow us wherever you listen to your podcast. And I look forward to having you come back next week. The end. Thanks for listening to my crunchy zen era. Please subscribe and leave a review wherever you listen to your podcasts. This podcast is produced by me, Nicole Swisher, and my good friends Summer Harcup and Liz Colder. Editing is by Drew Harrison Media, and recording is done by Logos Creative in Nashville, Tennessee. Thanks for hanging out. We'll be back next week.