My Crunchy Zen Era
Welcome to My Crunchy Zen Era — we're not exactly sure what it means, but we're figuring it out.
It started when I asked my friends: How do you create a life you love? Then it turned into a podcast full of a little fun, a little humor, and a whole lot of curiosity. Each week we dive into a fresh topic with a guest, exploring everything from everyday joys to life’s bigger questions. Whether we’re laughing, learning, or just letting things unfold, this show is your weekly dose of lighthearted inspiration.
Hosted by Nicole Swisher.
My Crunchy Zen Era
The Accidental Standup Comedy Curator: Behind the scenes with Josiah Bourke
What happens when a comedy fan with zero stage time accidentally becomes a trusted curator in stand-up?
Meet Josiah Bourke — the low-key force behind Comedian Discovery and Comedian Discovery Live, two platforms that are quietly (but steadily) reshaping how comedy fans find their next favorite act. What started as a personal obsession with stand-up specials turned into something way bigger: a genuinely useful space where Netflix drops and DIY YouTube debuts are treated with the same care and attention.
Josiah somehow built what comics now call the “release radar” — a go-to schedule that helps comedians coordinate their releases and gives fans one central spot to stay in the loop. But here’s the twist: instead of turning it into a monetized circus or chasing clout, he’s focused on community. Think: less influencer energy, more “friend who sends you the good stuff before it goes viral.”
From designing promo graphics to producing indie shows in the Nashville suburbs, Josiah’s approach is refreshingly behind-the-scenes. Because he’s not a performer, he’s able to create space for others — building eclectic lineups, supporting comics at every level, and asking real questions about why even seasoned pros sometimes hesitate to promote their own work.
If you’re a fan of comedy, creativity, or just the idea of supporting artists in a way that actually matters, this episode is a thoughtful, unfiltered look at what it means to build something with purpose — without chasing followers or selling out.
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What's something crunchier then that you've done lately?
SPEAKER_01:Um so I did a little thinking about this, and um we went to my brother-in-law's wedding and we stayed with my cousins. Um I didn't realize we were that crunchy as far as like food. But I have a six-year-old daughter, and uh when we woke up in the morning, her cousins asked her what kind of cereal she wanted for breakfast, and she didn't know what that was.
SPEAKER_00:She didn't know what cereal was.
SPEAKER_01:Didn't know what cereal was, and we just said list off a few options and they listed like three or four of the most famous brands of cereal, and she still didn't know what that was. So they had to hold out the boxes, and I just looked at my wife and realized like our six-year-old doesn't know like what cereal is or what brands they are. And I think it's we're both 90s kids and we just grew up on a lot of cereal, so we just like don't do it.
SPEAKER_00:What what do you do now for her?
SPEAKER_01:Just like cook, like we cook breakfast. Like a normal person. Yeah, and like we're still we're still, you know, fast-paced parents. Like she still eats junk sometimes or breakfast bars, but like we just don't buy cereal, I guess. Um I don't know if we're scarred from it as kids, or it's a very like junk food, expensive aisle, and we just skip it.
SPEAKER_00:It is like eating um dessert.
SPEAKER_01:It's candy, yeah, for sure. So like it was just very eye-opening to us to be like, oh, we don't our daughter doesn't know what cereal is.
SPEAKER_00:I think half the time I'm like, I have no idea what I have for breakfast. And because people have asked me, I'm like, I I don't know, I do something.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But so being in Scotland, it was like these amazing breakfasts. Like, and I can I could eat the eggs there totally fine. I cannot eat the eggs here. Like I have to do local. Interesting. And I think it's because the chickens eat weird stuff.
SPEAKER_03:Ooh.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Oh, yeah. So something to think about if you want to get crunchier.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_00:But I went I had all these great breakfasts and a lot of like poached eggs and like smoked salmon. And so being back like all week, I've been getting up early and like poaching eggs.
SPEAKER_01:And they're so I love eggs, Benedict, which and then I also love seafood, especially like I'm incorporated in brunch and stuff. So like middle of the country is tough.
SPEAKER_00:It is so tough. I wonder where I ate so much from so much seafood while I was there. Yeah. I was like, oh, Scotland's an island. We have a lot of fish.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you like just kind of forget. Um, I've always been in the middle of the country, but like the East Coast, like New York, and you know, I just like love seafood and stuff. And then when you get to the middle of the country, you're like, how long has it been since this was swimming?
SPEAKER_00:So welcome to my crunchy zen era. Um, this is a weekly podcast filled with a little fun, a little humor, and a whole lot of curiosity. I'm your host, Nicole Swisher, and today I have with me Josiah Burke, the man behind the curtain of Comedian Discovery and Comedian Discovery Live. How's it going?
SPEAKER_01:It's good. Thanks for having me. This is um this is fun. Um I'm a big on being behind the scenes, but thanks for putting me out of my comfort zone a little bit.
SPEAKER_00:No problem. And he's been helping me with my social media because, well, it's not great. So it's getting better.
SPEAKER_01:You and uh everybody else.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, so if you could relive any memory, what would it be and why?
SPEAKER_01:Um, I think I would relive my daughter's birth. Um, I remember it pretty well, but my wife's pregnancy and all the way through the birth, we assumed we would have two or three kids. Um, she was diagnosed with breast cancer at 29. Oh wow. So um we aren't able to have any more kids, and that's okay. We are perfectly happy. We have a happy family, but we didn't treat that pregnancy or birth like it was our last and only. So that would be something that like I would like to go back and relive knowing like this is it.
SPEAKER_00:Wow. So did you find out after this? Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Um, we found out when my daughter was one. Um we actually moved to Nashville in like March of 2020. Like COVID had just kicked off. Um I got a new job down here. My wife didn't work yet, so we're just like kind of hanging out. So we had like a crazy year of moving, and then my wife um found out she had breast cancer in September of that year. And we bought a house and live in it. We just kind of like it was crazy. Just a few things. Just a few things. Um, it honestly worked out to be um really good that it was during COVID because everybody was being like very careful and staying away, and my wife's immune system with chemo was awful. So like it ended up being really nice that everybody was taking like health precautions for world things when you know, you know, for us it was good, and like um people that weren't seeing each other could come visit us um and come help. Like her parents um basically came for every treatment and were very helpful. We had moved from Ohio like away from all of our family support. So yeah, um it was pretty crazy. But wow, my wife's a beast and she's cancer free.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, okay. So like for years she um this has been like four or five years.
SPEAKER_01:Also, she's gonna yell at me because I'm sure I missed all the math up on this. But um something like that. Yeah, so she's healthy. Um, but it's kind of a forever. Um I think like movies make it feel like all right, you have chemo, you beat it, yeah. Back to normal life. But it's like it's forever. Um, like we're just adjusting to life um post-cancer.
SPEAKER_00:Um is that partly why you guys are a little crunchy with food, do you think? Does it affect it?
SPEAKER_01:Maybe. I think we always kind of were like we just um, but yeah, I think maybe it it amplified things a little bit is just like what are we putting in our bodies? My wife was always kind of like a natural where we can be thing like that. Um she's it's probably motivated that a little extra.
SPEAKER_00:Gotcha. Wow. Well, thank you for sharing that. I had no idea.
SPEAKER_01:I did not mean to drop that bomb on you, but it's it's kind of a part of you know, living like it's also adjusted my mindset on like how we live, on like just I was big on like retirement and talking about our 60s and 70s, and it's kind of made me want to live harder now, especially with our one daughter, and just like we planned financially to have two or three, and now we're just spoiling the one that we got.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, I I mean I relate to that with different, you know, with the brain injury. It's something I've been thinking about, you know, since being able to be back at work and how easily I could slip into just being all about work again. Yeah. And that's part of just planning trips. And like I made a list of like these are the things I've always wanted to do. And so I'm really trying to be intentional about it because you just don't know what time you have. Yeah. Or even it doesn't even have to be that like not to be morbid, but we're you know, like it doesn't have to be you have to die early. It's like your life can just change in ways you never expected.
SPEAKER_01:For sure. We've been trying to be super intentional about like booking trips, and uh, we went to Disney World a couple times early. I was not a Disney World kid, like I didn't experience that, but it was magical for our daughter when she was like two and three, and like we were just talking, it was like poof, it's over. Like she will always enjoy Disney World, but those ages of like believing it's real and magic are so short, and like I'm so glad we took those trips and like maybe financially we shouldn't have or whatever, right? But like it's it's just um a constant reminder of like do things now, like yeah. Um I think society, like we just talk about retirement, retirement, retirement, and then like we're you know, most people aren't healthy enough to travel when they have the means to do so. And it's just like this weird, like put it off to a later culture that we're trying to be intentional to do.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So Josiah, tell me who you are.
SPEAKER_01:What do you mean by that?
SPEAKER_00:So you run the comedian discovery page. Yes. Tell me about how you got into that, how you started it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so I've always loved stand-up comedy. I've always loved specials. Um, and I started kind of like watching them more intently, and then like I would share them occasionally on like my Instagram page, and um I noticed very quickly like how responsive comics were. Like, hey, thank you so much for watching. And I'm thinking, uh, it's on Netflix, like it's not that big of a deal that I watched, but they're so grateful. They need in general that validation so bad. It was just like really eye-opening to me, like the level of comics that were responding to me. Really? And then I kind of started to get into this rhythm of doing that. Then I was like, wait a second, my family just wants to see pictures of my daughter on Instagram. Maybe this isn't where this little fun hobby should hang out. So I created comedian discovery, kind of just like um on a whim, and just said, like, maybe there's something here. Um, and my wife jokes about like uh what she didn't know what I was up to because I didn't tell anybody about it, including her, because I kind of thought it was like this dumb idea that would fail, and then I could just delete it and pretend like nothing happened and nobody would ever have to know about like this weird little thing I thought might work. Um, but then it kind of gained some traction. Um, I quickly realized like, okay, Netflix has their promo, Hulu has their promo, HBO has their promo, and then there's big pages, right? Like 800 pound Gorilla or Comedy Dynamics, but does anybody compile all that? And the answer was no, right? And that was kind of during the age of like YouTube specials really picking up steam, like Shane Gillis's was going crazy, a couple of Joe Lists were going crazy. And I just thought, like, um, if I'm like a comic and I spend all my money to produce a special and I have 2,000 followers on Instagram, like, where do I go to get the word out? And I just kind of thought maybe I can create a space that will someday be um valuable enough that it's a platform, I guess, right? Yeah. Um and that's kind of the birth of it, and honestly, that's been kind of what I've stuck with the whole time. Um I also found a bunch of pages that would basically um repost a bunch of jokes, not tag the comics, uh, and then um once they get like a million followers or 500,000 followers, they start charging comics to collab. So small comics basically saying, Hey, I want to collab, then MOS 10 bucks. And I just felt very gross about that culture of just like taking advantage of like um most comics that don't have money. I was gonna say broke comics. Broke comics. I mean, there's this culture of like comedy is booming, but like that's Nate Burgetsi, that's you know, Mark Norman, Shane Gillis, whatever, but like the average comic is still broke and has a job and um trying to get things going. So I just kind of wanted to create this really like comic-friendly world where it's like everybody's welcome. Your special can be next to the Netflix special or the HBO special, like if you put work into it and it's quality, like I'm putting it up. Um and then I created the schedule, which kind of like became like the release radar is kind of what people know now. Um I just kind of wanted to stay organized because every special I will post their graphic and then sometimes collab on a joke or post a joke. But I always wanted that like almost like TV guide vibe. And I thought it was really cool for like cross-sharing. Like if somebody who has a Netflix special shares that graphic, then so is the somebody with the YouTube special, right? So it just kind of like created this world um of everybody's kind of bumping shoulders with each other regardless of their success level. Um and that's what it is today. And like it's interesting because I've had a few comics reach out to me like the month before and say, Um, hey, I'm dropping my special next month, I'm looking for a date. Like, what's October look like, for example? And I like realize, and somebody hit me up and said, like, you're kind of like save the date for specials, like somebody doesn't want to go after the same audience, like appear. It's like, hey, I'm not gonna do it on that day because it looks like Tuesday, there's a Netflix special, and everybody will be watching that. So I'm gonna wait till Thursday and drop my special on YouTube or whatever. So it's just like kind of created this world. Um, so yeah, I think that's kind of where I'm at with it.
SPEAKER_00:So when did it start gaining traction actually?
SPEAKER_01:Um, I would say um, I don't remember exact timeline, but like within a few months, I would say like the first thousand followers were the hardest. Um and then lately I've just kind of peeked at like 13. It just feels like it is niche. Like you have to kind of either be a comic or an absolute comedy nerd. Like I don't think my page is for like somebody that watches a special or two a year, like that just like isn't what it is. Um and that's okay. Like I've kind of stuck with what I thought it would be the whole time. It grow grew way faster than I thought it would, and like um it's authentic, it's exactly what like I thought it would be. I'm not like my next path isn't to find a way to rip off comics or anything like that. So it's just kind of um yeah, I'd say maybe six months. Um but I don't know, it's all kind of a blur because I people ask me all the time, like, what's the goal with comedian discovery? And the answer is I'm beyond it. Like I thought it was this dumb little page that may never like have any validity at all, but like it's it's it is beyond what I thought it would be.
SPEAKER_00:So how do you I mean how do you find all this information?
SPEAKER_01:Like how much question um Brian Bates was actually asking me that the other day. And in the beginning, it was a ton of research. I was really looking for like I was searching YouTube all the time, um like kind of creating filters on like in the last you know, six months, well, you know, whatever. I just kind of wanted to get some random specials that I thought were good out there. Um but now people come to me, which has been pretty cool. It's been a shift. I'm like, hey, I'm putting my special out October 13th, would love to be a part of the graphic. And um, I just say like it's all via DM. Like, I don't really send people to email. Um, and I just say like you're on the list, and I always try to make sure if it's been announced. So like I don't want to announce people's specials for them. I don't really want to take that thunder, so I always just say, like, is it public knowledge? Yeah or nay, and they say, Yeah, go ahead. I've already told my followers, so like would love to be on the next time you post. And I just plan on that, like basically I have a working graphic on my phone, kind of like an iPhone note, yeah. And anytime I find out a special, I add it, and then so then the next time I post, it's just that. So like I'd say I post it four or five times a month, like in the beginning of the month, especially like a long time ago. The beginning of the month, I would know about like three or four specials, and then it would just grow as like people would because like each time I post, I always say like the second I post, it's obsolete because each time I post, somebody will comment or DM and say like so and so's special comes out on the 15th or whatever. So it just kind of like is this evolving thing.
SPEAKER_00:And I mean, do you take like if anybody DMs you?
SPEAKER_01:Great question. Um, I don't want to be a gatekeeper, so like I don't um review specials or anything like that. And same with clips, my DMs are full of clips, and I don't really um I try to focus on specials because that's like really where people's effort is. But if somebody collabs me on a good quality joke and I don't have anything like planned for that day, I'll accept it. Um I like quality, like I get DM'd a ton of like Nokia from the back of the club videos, and like I just I don't even comment on the joke, I just say like, hey, this is rough. Like, love to collab sometime, but this isn't quite quality. So I'm not reviewing the jokes, I'm not reviewing the specials. Um my general rule is like 20-ish minutes is a special these days. Like, I can't keep up with every don't tell. I think they do like two a week, which I love don't tell comedy, they're awesome. Um but like I don't quite consider that a special just because how long are those? Typically like eight to twelve minutes. Okay. But they've done a few half hours and like those meet my special criteria. And it's just honestly, maybe it's just like I can't keep up, or like their platform is so big they don't need me, so I just feel a little less um you know demanded to like go add those. And then like if you open that up, now everybody who puts a 10-minute setup. I had a 10-minute setup, and that's a special, right? So it's just like I've only tried to create like criteria where it's like this looks and sounds good, and it's 20-ish minutes, and you worked really hard on it. I think most people who have like paid for a crew to come in and take 20 minutes and filled a club up and edited it, and like I just kind of like who am I to say that doesn't, you know, get to be on the page. And I'll get comments sometimes, like this special sucked, and I'll just say like for a while I used to respond, now I don't even respond, but I used to just say, like, I didn't say you had to watch it, I just said it's out. You're really not recommending. I'm just yeah, it's not a recommendation, it is purely like my stories are more recommendations. I try to add like a little more of like this is awesome, go watch, great podcast. But like because I post a graphic does not mean I watched every minute of that special. It means it's out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. What um I mean, what kind of stand-up do you like?
SPEAKER_01:I like all kinds of stand-up. Um, I genuinely try to like support everybody, like clean, filthy, whatever. Like, I don't care. I also um one of my like dumb mottos is like every comic is somebody's favorite comedian. And like maybe that's only their parents, but they are somebody's favorite comedian, right? And it's just like that's kind of how I like to treat it. It's just like they worked really hard on this, this is what they've dedicated their life to. Like, who am I to say? Um, it's not that, but like I I like all kinds of comedy. Um big New York, like New York comedy kind of has like my heart, but I try to you know branch out a little bit. I've been like learning the Los Angeles scene a little bit better. Um, obviously they've got the comedy store, but I've always like idolized the cellar and the stand and all that. I just love like kind of the New York grind of like watching a comic have like eight spots in the city in a night. Like that's just very cool to me and like kind of you know, comedy boom.
SPEAKER_00:Have you visited before?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, I've been a couple times. Um, a couple times I was able to sneak up there like during like a job trip, like a uh regular job trip, and then um just for fun a couple times I've been up there and it's like otherworldly. I've had a couple like crazy um the page has gotten me in like rooms where like I shouldn't be there. I have big like imposter syndrome with comedy. Um and they're like I've never idolized like um actors and actresses, like that just isn't for me. But like I do kind of like idolize some comics, but I also think it's because they feel like regular people to me. Like I just feel like they're regular people, um, but like hanging out in green rooms and like sitting at places I shouldn't be sitting at. I'm just like, what am I doing in here? But um it's just kind of one of those like pinch me. It's like, hey, you've worked kind of hard on this thing, and like people recognize that and they're grateful for your help, and it's okay to do you know who I'm I'm really excited to watch the special is Jordan Jensen.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Um, because I know she was here for a bit, and then I saw her in New York. I don't I think it was the cellar, and I when I saw her perform, I I was very, very early in stand-up, and I just remember my mind just being blown. I was like how long ago this was? Yeah, it was about two years almost exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. I saw Jordan at the cellar myself, and um, I was already a fan of hers, but hadn't seen a ton of her stand-up. Like I felt like her I had seen like clips and crowd work and stuff like that, but I thought she was brilliant on stage, and I've watched the special, and I'm very curious what you think. I think she is one of one, like she is so different than everybody in the space. Um, she's aggressive, she's ferocious, she's very um, I don't know, she's just like her own um brand of stand-up. And I thought the special was good.
SPEAKER_00:I just I mean, I I think that so I'd seen like Paula Poundstone like years ago, and I remember just my cheeks were hurting. I was laughing so hard. I don't know that name. Oh, um You're gonna be shocked. She's a very um, I don't want to say old comic, but in the sense of her age, but she like she was like 80s. Okay. And I grew up listening to Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me. Okay. Do you know Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me? Okay. Love it. Um, and she's been a panelist on there all the time.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:And so my mom and I wanted to go see Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me, but it was always sold out. And so I found that Paula was coming. And so we went. And I would say it took me a stand-up class before I realized I was watching stand-up comedy. Well, I I was like, she's just giving a really funny speech. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Sometimes they're so natural with it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, she was so funny. But like seeing her and then seeing Jordan Jensen, I'd seen like Taylor Tomlinson, but like seeing these women up there just being genuinely funny and seemingly themselves was very powerful to me.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, love Taylor. And also, I forget what the show is. I'm a wife, and she is gonna kill me. But wait, wait, don't tell me it reminds me of O'Fira Eisenberg. Do you know who that is? No, I don't. She had an NB NPR show, and I'm blanking on the name because I'm well I recognize it a little bit, but I don't know. She performs at the cellar, she's been here to the lab and she's done a couple shows with me. Um, and that was one of the first relationships. Like I picked her up to come to a show. It was one of the first, like I told my wife, she's like, Are you picking up like an NPR personality to come to this show at a grocery store in Lebanon? I was like, uh yeah. So and then like it's it's just cool, but I'll look up the show and you'll recognize her, I'm sure. Yeah. Um it is just kind of like that's the regularness of it. Like, yeah, I'd love to come. Like, I'm I'm coming a day early, as long as you don't promote me on the show, like I'll come hang out.
SPEAKER_00:So I've been surprised by some of the comedians that had agreed to do my show. And yeah, like just super nice, and I'd seen them and I was like, well, I'm just gonna see. And they'll be like, Oh yeah, if the timing works out, and I think they genuinely mean it. Yeah, it has not worked out, but we will work it out. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it is very interesting when you're in a green room and it's just there's just people.
SPEAKER_01:That's the imposter syndrome, I think, of it too. Like comics very rarely uh get to a point where they think they're better than a show. Yeah. Because they've all like been a part of horrible shows, stepping stones, and like um like Mark Norman's pretty famous for like doing a theater in the town and then like asking where the nearest don't tell is because he's got like a new joke he wants to work on. I love that like brokenness of like he still is grinding regardless of selling out the theater in that city. Like he's just like yeah, and I've heard stories about him coming to Zanies and be like, is there any mics? Like he's just like two sold-out shows and then wants to go up somewhere. It's just like that's the New York mentality. I think of just like writing, writing, writing, try new, like just go, go, go, which is so fun.
SPEAKER_00:So when did you start getting into stand-up?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know um like exactly, but like my parents, I grew up very religious. My parents loved like clean comedy, like um they were big, um, like Brian Regan fans, um, kind of like that era, and I always like appreciated it. I don't know if I fully understood like how prepared and written the material was and stuff. Um, and then I always enjoyed like going live, and I I enjoyed like um I think the comedian discovery brand is I love going to see somebody and being like, I saw them when they were in a club. Yes. I think I we used to have the same mindset of like music. Me and my wife went and saw like Ed Sheeran like right before like the A-Team came out, and like it was in this like tiny room in Indianapolis, and the very next shows he was like in arenas with Taylor Swift. It's just like cool to catch somebody. It's like they're about to blow up. Like I've seen Tom Segura and like a funny bone, and I was just like, I think that guy's gonna be big someday, right? It just like kind of feels fun to see people in those tiny venues before like the world discovers them.
SPEAKER_00:I think that's part of what's fun about Nashville right now, is like we do have a lot of up-and-coming comedians. For sure. And I have already seen some of them. Like there's people who have blown up that like I know. Some have been on the show I produced or just seen them, and they are still like I still know them.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they now have away from knowing you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I like have friends, like friends and family from Minnesota like commenting about them. And I'm like, how do you know this person?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And then I like look at their socials, I'm like, oh, everybody knows this person.
SPEAKER_01:Amber Autry and Fiona came to mind, right? Like both. Exactly. I think they've I know I've had Fiona booked on a couple shows and then Amber a couple, and I was just like, there was multiple people at shows, like she was so good. And I think Amber hosted one of my shows. Like, and it was just like that opportunity is about to be gone. Um, and I've made some graphics and stuff for them, and just like it's cool to see you know people make it.
SPEAKER_00:It is, and I I'm big fans of both of them. Yeah, like they're they're so good too.
SPEAKER_01:It's like when you did see them, like you just knew like these two are yeah, and like um obviously both took like very different paths, like the Kiltoni path, but also um like Amber, I could just tell how hard she was working, and I was just like, there's no way like the way she promotes, the way she's goofy, the way she gets pictures with every fan. I just like kind of saw that early on and thought like, yeah, it's gonna work.
SPEAKER_00:And she's a genuinely kind person. For sure. Which I I mean, I just like I like that I'm rooting for somebody who I know is kind.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I think there's like obviously there's bad eggs, right? But there is a lot of humility. I think comedy makes people humble. I always like laugh about like, you know, one show's great and the next one whatever. Like I've heard a couple people um talk about like you could be opening for Nate in an arena and then getting a text from a comedy club saying, like, hey, we've only sold five tickets for your shows next weekend. Like it just it brings you right back down to earth, no matter what level you make it to, um, which is I think what makes people humble longer in comedy and not forget where they came from and it's why they will do your show, and you know, just kind of like it's one big, you know, kind of nucleus of com comics, which is fun.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it is. Um, so obviously social media has been I mean, it is what it is for you with the comedian discovery. Is that something that you knew how to handle ahead of time or did you learn?
SPEAKER_01:It's all self-taught. I don't know. I think like the rhythm and um marketing of it is easier for me, right? Because I'm not making anything, right? It's yours, it's comics graphics, send it to me. So like the main page is very much like I have a graphic, I kind of understand a little bit of like tapping into people's psyche on stories, but it's mainly like their product. But I did I've I've been getting into making graphics for comics for a while now, um, and just like have an eye for hey, you know, I know you're promoting your show on stories, but you're just using create mode and a black screen and white text. Maybe we throw a picture of you in it. Um there's a lot of psychology in like okay, you have a hundred thousand followers and you're in New York City, but you're doing a show in Iowa. You need to get yourself on the Iowa Comedy Club's story, right? So there's a lot of like psychology of like I always tell comics like bully your way onto their stories, bully your way onto their followers. Like they have 50,000 followers, theoretically, those are ticket buyers, but yours are sprinkled all around the country. So, like, yes, you're telling your followers all the time where your shows are, but are your followers anywhere near that show? Is like, yeah, how do you tap into that city you're going to? You'll see a lot of people like, what do you recommend in Austin, Texas? Blah blah blah. And that's like a little bit of a trick. You'll see some people that's like, hey, I'll be in whatever this weekend. And I just imagine their responses come to the show when people respond to that story, and it almost like transcends their story and puts them in that city, hopefully finding some people interested. And it's like, oh, I didn't even realize um you were gonna be here. And like that's the big thing on email lists right now. Like algorithms not showing everybody in the right places that you're coming. Um, so that's kind of like I don't know how I got on this tangent, but like building graphics and like teaching people how to self-promote. And specials are the same way, like huge people with huge followings put a special out and it's like nowhere to be found on their Instagram. I've DM'd people in the past with like a million followers and say, like, post your graphic, and they're like, Oh, yeah, thanks.
SPEAKER_00:Wait, they it like their specials coming out and they just like aren't promoting it on their socials.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Fascinating.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know if it's like the broken mentality of like, I don't know if this is good, watch if you want, or if it's just like this like disconnect of like, hey, a million people have decided they like your comedy and want to follow you. Go ahead and tell them about the special you're putting out. And it's just like this I just broken brain on self-promotion. It's just this like psychological, like, I'm not good enough, don't come see me. Oh yeah, I'll be in this city, blah, blah, blah. It just kind of seems like a cycle I've seen, which is interesting. And then in the beginning, I noticed me sharing made them share it. It was like almost like, use me as an excuse to share your special. I'll share it. And then you reshare the story, and it's almost like I didn't tell you my special out. Mm hmm. Comedian Discovery did. I'm just sharing that. It's like this weird little psychology of freaking them into self promotion.
SPEAKER_00:I can see that though. Like it is really hard to promote yourself. I think, especially with what comedians do. go through to get to that point. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01:They've been dragging people to shows for decades.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean I found when I was doing stand up that even to my last show, I was still questioning, am I even funny?
SPEAKER_01:Oh for sure. I think that goes all the way up to every level. And then when you make it you gotta be funnier for the next one. Right. And you hear all the time, I see a lot like when people put a special up and then they talk on a podcast, they're like, I gotta go write some new jokes because I have nothing. And it's like it's interesting because um this is kind of really in the weeds but like people will put their hour out and like most comics wrote that hour over the course of like five, ten, maybe fifteen years, right? But then when these touring comics like okay I put my first special out now I need to go on the tour with a new hour. And then it's kind of like an every year or two pace. So like you get a long time for the first special and if it kills and it's great, the expectation is now that you can do that every couple years.
SPEAKER_00:I heard I think it was Nate Burgetzi actually on Nateland talking about and maybe it was Dusty too, but they were talking about how every time they put out a special they're like I can't write another joke. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah they all all feel that way like uh oh that might be it that might have been it for my material. Yeah they all are prolific writers and figure it out. But it is like this weird like um back to the beginning start over every time they put one out which is interesting.
SPEAKER_00:Aaron Ross Powell would you ever do like consulting or anything for comedians or like uh I don't know agents or something for I don't know I've had a few people um Dave Neal told me I would be a good manager and I said thank you but no thank you. I think well I've thought someone a manager would be they could be a little bit of a babysitter. Yeah I could be wrong.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah I don't know also all of the terminology and like who's responsible for what um I think it's interesting because a lot of people like I told you earlier like what's the goal for comedian discovery and I'm like beyond it I've been really really careful to still make it a hobby. Like I have a real job. I have a family so I can't let it become stressful. And even with building graphics I basically have created like a pay what you can afford system. I've built some graphics for some huge comics and they're like what do you charge? And I'm like I don't know like I don't know what this stuff costs. I don't consider myself like a professional at it but I've also heard some of the numbers that people pay for like a tour poster and I think it's absurd because as soon as you add a show it's obsolete. Like it's just a really silly thing to invest in. So I've always kind of said like especially in like mid-level comics where it's like I'll build it for you you know pay what you want and I've also promised that like if you pay me it goes back into all of this. Like it's this hobby is self funding if that makes sense. Like I don't put my own money in it but also I haven't taken a penny out of it. I'm sure you're gonna ask me about shows in a little bit which is another headache. But um yeah so that also when I say pay what you want I don't feel like like I don't want a deadline from anybody because then it becomes like a job right now I'm on the clock. I try to get ahead like if I build stuff for somebody like I am like months ahead to what they need. I started recently I'll ask if she wants me to say this or not but um I started recently building graphics for the comedy catch in Chattanooga. Cool um I just I like that little club and um it's kind of like small family owned it's really fun and then also it's just very like um probably small budget, right? Like they don't have the big power of like a funny bone behind them and um I can be very affordable for her and um that's kind of the goal like I like supporting a small business like that. I don't have enough time to take on like a huge client um so I'd rather like kind of onesie twosie see what comics need and and find a way to help them. And then that leads to relationships of like who are you and why you know whatever and I've always kind of built the page to be I want it to feel like it's too good to be true. Like a lot of people DM me what's it cost to be on the release radar? Like how do I get on it? And it's like nothing. Like if you got a quality special a quality clip you want to send me like I it's not about ripping people off. Yeah so like I've had a few people joke saying like where's the catch and at what point do you send me an invoice for these things you've made and it's like hey thanks for liking my stuff you know I mainly do things for free until somebody's like can you help me consistently and then we kind of have a conversation what that looks like. What is your daydrax I work in corporate America so bag. So not this nothing I work in compliance banking anti-money laundering specifically behind the scenes um and nothing to do with like building graphics nothing to do with social media um this is just a total step out of like what my day-to-day is but I do work from home so I got that advantage yeah all my screens are where I need them to do both things so where did comedian Discovery live come from and maybe what is it? Okay so comedian Discovery Live is you know basically live stand-up comedy shows um and I think it came from I was always big on like when people would say like where should I perform they share their stories and like when I started seeing a lot of comics that I really liked not coming to Nashville I kind of scratched my head and I I I'm a huge Zanies fan. I I'm a regular I'm there all the time um but I realized that they are so big that not everybody has a chance to hit Nashville. Yeah um so originally I kind of thought like well maybe I'll catch some comics on their way through if they're in Atlanta, Chattanooga and they're just like not quite big enough for a Zanies night um maybe I'll add a night on for them. But then also I I just recognized that there were so many comics in Nashville and we were getting this like buzz of um the next big comedy scene did you feel that way?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah I definitely heard people even say that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah and I think that kind of came from like okay we have an awesome club we have huge names here like Theo was here um Nate's here Dusty's here Leanne Morgan here like there was just a lot of like maybe not here Angela Johnson but like um and some of that stuff might have been state income tax tax based but that's nee maybe maybe a small thing. But um I just kept hearing that and I was like yeah but we're not there's not that many stages. Because when you think about like New York LA and even Austin now it's just like there are stages everywhere and it's just like that is not the structure here. There's like Third Coast, there's a couple little shows but like in general for how many venues we have for music there is very little comedy stage time. And then also the other passion was like I live in the suburbs and like I would mention zanys and people were like what's that and people in the suburbs just don't come downtown. So I kind of thought like okay I know all of these Nashville comics it would be really easy to pull them out to the suburbs and like hopefully create small little indie type shows um and that's kind of where it started and it just like I guess it went from there and like I'm big on being super transparent to the comics like hey I'm not making any money you guys will get all the money it makes um help me promote it and I'll try to build some shows um some have worked better than others it's very stressful and um that's been the reminder of like um I know comics always say like the ups and downs like you might kill in one show and then whoopsie that didn't go well you bomb but um I've felt that way producing shows where it's like have two or three low turnouts in a row and then we pack a coffee shop and I'm like here we go. Like it just like gets me right back in the adrenal of like that's why I'm doing this. And I always say like I'm kind of broken like a comic in that way of just like looking for that next um good show. And the other thing that's crazy is like my standards are really high because I want to produce like good shows, high turnouts, shows where like out of towners can actually headline versus just a showcase and do like 15 minutes. Like I want to build shows where it's like if somebody hits me up that is out of my league for booking, I want to be like yep you're on Friday night in Mount Juliet like you know whatever. That's kind of the goal of having like these kind of shows rolling to where I can plug out of towners in. That's the vision at least but it takes time.
SPEAKER_00:And that's I mean that's how we met is I did I think I did the Billy Goat. Yep. And then I did the um Mockingbird theater. Yeah Franklin Theater. Franklin Theater um and that was I enjoy going I enjoyed going to the suburbs because it was a lot of the same shows here in Nashville and it there's different people. Your audience is different. You get to try something new in a way.
SPEAKER_01:I've been told a few times I build crazy lineups which um I believe is because I'm able to be totally out of like the clicks of it. And also I don't owe anybody.
SPEAKER_00:So like crazy lineups as in like good lineups and just like different normal because it's less of like hey I'll do your show you do my show.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Whereas me it's like I don't want your stage time so I can book whoever I want and it wasn't intentional but I just kind of put funny people together that I felt like made sense and complimented each other. But I think it just like naturally created some lineups that were unique because I kept noticing I would go to showcases and I'm just like it's the same five or six people and I've seen their 10 minutes.
SPEAKER_00:And um you know and just to clarify like for our audience because I don't think actually think most of them are not in stand-up the way we are a lot of the way that local shows are run, not just in Nashville, is that comics are producing them oftentimes so they can get stand up they can get what is the word stage stage time thank you. And it's not a bad thing. It's just like that is what happens a lot. And so to have a producer I think who is not a comic is a little bit more unusual. And so I feel like that sets you apart too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah like New York's the same way. It's like a lot of you know it is it's creating your own stage time like guaranteed stage time. My show once a month I can get it's important. It is super important. But it does kind of become tradesy which is very natural and I don't I don't blame anybody for that but I I think I've allowed to understand the comedy scene but also be outside of it enough to um you know build some unique lineups and just bring variety to the audiences. I'm very careful on like you did that show two months ago you're not coming back yet.
SPEAKER_00:That's how I feel about cheaper than therapy. Um I get I I have like a whole spreadsheet and I literally look back and I'm like when was this person on? Because I I definitely have favorites but I try not to let that affect what the actual lineup is because who I love the audience might love somebody else. For sure.
SPEAKER_01:So it's like it's so hard to be intentional about that and like I try to do the same where it's just like all right that person's been there too often they gotta go to a different suburb this next show and it's just it's you do have to be intentional about it. Because it's easy to also I've love certain comics more but I like working with certain certain comics more. So like when you're professional it's very easy to just keep keep booking certain people.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna do some rapid fire questions. Okay. What's your favorite comedy special right now?
SPEAKER_01:Um I think Chappelle Lacy his half hour with Don't Tell um can I give you some context with that? Even though it's rapid fire um my wife told me she said you really enjoy comedy once you like start working with somebody so I started working with Chappelle and like building him graphics. He kind of seemed overwhelmed with like promoting shows um and like his special was coming and I just kind of wanted to teach him like some very basic rhythm and like a friend of his connected me with him and then his don't tell came out and he it exploded kind of and it went really well and like he kind of went from touring occasionally to like he's very smart about like the shows he picks and then like he had a few weekends where he was just like selling shows out and we were in like a really good rhythm of like texting like yo you should do this we kind of like he does like good goofy promo like he's good at like being self-deprecating and like he's allowed me to like have some really dumb ideas and use them on graphics. So like it's been really cool. I'm not taking any credit for Chappelle's blowout but it was cool to see like okay your special came out and now you have momentum and you're rolling and he's very good about only posting like good clips like he doesn't force junk out and he's just like my my clips are really performing right now it's like that's because you don't like just put garbage out just because so he's I'm a little biased. He's awesome he's LA based he's at the comedy store and fan nice um let's see favorite comedy special of all time um probably Joe List I hate myself. I think it's one of the best specials ever. Favorite comedian Joe List unfortunately back to back. He's great I just love the way he writes material he writes fast he delivers in a way that feels like he might be trying this joke for the first time even on a special like he is nailed every comic tries to make it feel like oh on the way here I was thinking about this but yeah he actually nails it in my opinion of like making a set that is so tight somehow feel loose like he just thought of it in the green room and like that's very cool. Most underrated comedian most underrated comedian I might need a second on this one how about favorite comedian to see live comedian favorite comedian to see live is probably Dusty Slay right now. I love everything he does he writes his new hour so quickly I think lately he's been doing like 70 to 75 minutes at the shows on his I listen to his um podcast. Yeah he said he did an hour and a half yeah he's I'm like oh my gosh he's a machine and like I love on his newest special I loved it he just talked about how like some of these jokes are over before I stop talking and it's just like his way of like his comfort with the audience like I think he's the perfect theater comic. Like I don't want to see Dusty bigger than a theater maybe he will get there but like I selfishly like just really enjoy seeing him in that setting where it's like he always joked like I thought I would hate theaters but I love it like everybody's in there's no servers they're sitting down and like he's talked about like needing less and less of an opener and like maybe if you're grabbing openers from like local cities and just like they're there to see me they're about to see it for 90 minutes which I love. Like it's just like you have to come away from that feeling like you got your ticket price worth I would think.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah I saw him like I feel like he's someone like I don't know him but he's local and I saw him at his grand old comedy show earlier. Which he hosts right which he hosts I love that yeah and I love I love that show. And then I saw him in Minnesota when I went home and he was in the theater and it was so fascinating like the ability to go see him at Zany's and he's like working his jokes or whatever and then go see him in a theater with people who never get to see him there's such a different feeling and a vibe that I felt like very privileged to be like here and just see him work on that.
SPEAKER_01:I love seeing people work out material like I've seen Nate a couple times at Zany's on like unannounced I think he was on one of Dusty's shows and it was just like no matter what level you get to you have to work on the joke. You have to go he had notes and there was a couple jokes that like started the hit and you could just tell he didn't have an ending yet and I just loved that just knowing like that's going to be perfect on a special in a year.
SPEAKER_00:And I just love that rhythm of stand up and his um DoorDash joke for a while I saw him coming to Zanies over and over again and it was so cool to see it progress and then to see the final product.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah I love that I love um comics always say like come see me on the road I just put my special out like I don't have that much new material. That's my favorite time to see a comic because they're just like grabbing for anything they can grab right now. Like they've they're trying to dump the old hour and they don't have it yet and I like seeing like a joke that over the next two years is going to become perfect but like I like it when they're just kind of giving it a whirl.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Any thoughts on your underrated comic before I move us on it's hard to call her underrated um and it's what I'll be looking forward to this week.
SPEAKER_01:But Chloe Radcliffe is very good. She is in all kinds of worlds she's like um you know podcasting she does a little acting she does all this stuff but I think her stand up is very good I've got a sneak peek at a couple things and um I just think she's very good. I think she was on like a big just for laughs thing and like kind of like on a few deadline articles she's in the Bradley Cooper movie. Have you seen the advertisement for that? No it's Will Arnett and it's about um uh like stand up and they shoot at the comedy cellar and then some comics are in it. Actually I believe Jordan Jensen's in it too and I'll make sure that's public knowledge before you post this but I believe it is um so like she's been in those worlds and like yeah I've been saying she's due for like a pop for like the last couple years.
SPEAKER_00:I've been helping her with some stuff and like I just think um like globally she'll she'll pop here soon I might have to check her out then okay um I think we could talk about this all day so I need to move as long as yeah sure what are you obsessing over lately?
SPEAKER_01:Trying to find a balance with all of this is my obsession. So um I have a six year old I have a wife I have a job that pays the bills and then I have whatever in the world this is that I've created. So um it just kind of goes back to like making sure this stays fun, making sure it doesn't become a stressor um and doesn't take me away from family. So like producing shows has been this like this really fun thing but when they're stressful and it's a struggle and then it's a show I feel like I physically need to be at I try to build my shows to where like I can really just kind of like give the keys to somebody. Yeah. And there's plenty of awesome hosts in Nashville that I can trust to do that. But like how many nights out of the house do I get for comedy? And then also sometimes I just want to go to Zany's and be like a comedy fan. So uh finding the balance that this is still fun and um you know I guess that's that's the I'm working on right now is just like make sure my family stays first and the job that pays the bills is still rolling.
SPEAKER_00:Like I still have to do that. Yeah yeah yeah um I've been obsessing over learning to edit videos. Oh okay which is new because like I I've done it before in the past like are you talking about long form or like clips? Um like 10 minutes. Okay. So like I'm learning Final Cut Pro um because I did a vlog for my Scotland travel with my mom. Very cool. And I really like got sucked into it and I was like oh I actually like this. Yeah I thought I would hate it because I I had some things I was working on perhaps the clips for this that I was just like oh God I hate this.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah yeah I hate everybody assumes I would be good at making clips and I hate it. It's just I don't find enjoyment in it. It's a necessary evil like it's what you gotta do. You're making a podcast you have to do through figure out whatever but it is it's exhausting.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah but something about this other type of like putting in the music and like I already have everything kind of just drag and drop and maybe cut off the ends. And I've just found I'm I don't know it's very relaxing to me. This is a very new thing that I'm learning which I'm glad little Zen? Little Zen.
SPEAKER_01:That's um it's also like we're living in a world of like the most DIY of ever right like these are things that like regular people with regular jobs would never dream of doing in the past and now all of a sudden it's like let me go figure this out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So do you have a recommendation for our audience?
SPEAKER_01:I do I almost used him as my underrated comic but it took me a while to get um into him because I didn't really like like the character world but have you heard of Right Now with John Gobla Kong?
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_01:He's like a green goblin guy he has like a band that's how it started and now he does like a comedy podcast and when I first saw it I was like I don't need another like gimmick thing. Yeah he might get mad at me for saying this but we'll deal with that later. Um but he is truly an incredible interviewer. I think he has like an actual like red carpet interview background or something. Oh interesting and he asks incredible questions he does great research and then he's just like an improv machine as the character. And like once you buy into that world it's hilarious. He has really good interviews um I've enjoyed like every at first I just like watched one because I liked the comic he was interviewing and I was like oh this is good. And um he's also just a very nice dude and like um he's a dad he's just like a regular guy. I'll make sure that's public knowledge. But um he's um super fun. I've helped him with some graphics and just like had a lot of fun with that.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. I'm gonna have to look at this.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah I I need your feedback to know I'm not just crazy. And I also I told you I become biased once I start like helping and working with people.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah yeah my recommendation is totally different um which is totally fine. I have a planner that I've been using. This is the anecdote so like I have three calendars like electronic calendars and I have a really hard time keeping track of all of them and then I take notes handwritten notes all over and I was losing my notebooks and then everything. So I found this planner it has like and it's not like specific dates. You just like write it in and then it has like priorities and like to do and notes ideas and then just like blank pages. And I it's transformational.
SPEAKER_01:I love that but I'll never get back to it. So I actually think I would use it and then never go back and review. So like my desk is full of sticky notes. Yeah. And I do like a quarterly cleanup of like this all has to be trash, right? And I write things down because I I've heard it's good for our brain and I think it works. Yeah. And sometimes it's like a daily little checklist but most of the time I write it down and never go back and look at it. So I think I would be good on the front end of that and then it just wouldn't be a tool.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I think I wasn't looking back at my notes because I couldn't find they were they weren't in one spot and this has like calmed my brain down a bit. Like I still keep my calendars up to date but then I also like write it in here and so all three calendars are also in here. Okay. Too many calendars.
SPEAKER_01:That sounds like very time consuming.
SPEAKER_00:But whatever you're extremely organized so whatever. Too organized. Uh what are you most looking forward to this week?
SPEAKER_01:So on Thursday I've got a bit of a pinch me show um Chloe Radcliffe is coming to town she's going to Louisville and I just thought like hey do you want to try to set up a Nashville show and um she's way bigger than a comic that I should be able to book. That's amazing. Helping her over the last couple years we've talked a lot about like podcasts and um she does tandem bicycle podcast she rides a bicycle somebody's behind her and it's an interview and it's a comic and it's really good. I kind of helped her loosely like brainstorm some of the ideas and stuff and she's just been really fun to like work with over the years. Her and her boyfriend which is Stuart Law's he's from the UK he directed James A. Castor's special I don't know if you know who that is but more homework for you. He had the Hecklers Welcome tour he got heckled a lot and then he built like an hour where he just let the hecklers say whatever they wanted and he couldn't get mad about it. Oh interesting yeah we can go into all day about that. But anyway they will be here they're gonna do a show with me and um honestly I'm more excited for the hang than I am the show. But it's it's pretty cool to like meet, you know, talk to somebody for a couple years and then finally have like the human interaction.
SPEAKER_00:Well I'm looking forward to my infrared sauna so I'm excited about that.
SPEAKER_01:How have they been? Have you done it before?
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah I've gone for like a year and a half now.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Um it's to help my brain injury okay because the infrared light is shown to like start to heal your brain in a way that like nothing else can.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:And so plus the sauna is very like detoxing. So I go I'm currently um in the middle of the season uh Love is Blind UK season two. Okay. Love the UK edition. Okay. Love it. That's another recommendation.
SPEAKER_01:I love we love garbage TV. So love it.
SPEAKER_00:But I don't have Netflix right now so I just like go and I'm just like watching. Um but yeah you it's at um pure sweat and float in Bell Mead and you have like a little you have your own room you go in get naked get into the sauna and there's like an iPad that you can like watch or like listen to what's the frequency you do that. That is a great question I cannot answer.
SPEAKER_01:You're not sure like what like which what should you how often should you go?
SPEAKER_00:Oh okay I thought you meant like what's the light like holding it was not like an engineering question.
SPEAKER_01:I'm like how often are you supposed to go do that or um I will I do it like once a week.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. I don't do it as much in the summer because I find it to be a little overwhelming with the heat here in Nashville. Um but when I was really not well I was going like three times a week. Wow. Yeah. If not more sometimes it was part of so I found that when I really had symptoms flaring up that like I would go in and it was one of the things that could calm it all down real quick. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I like that you think I work in corporate America, run this page and definitely had a question about the frequency of the lights. I have no idea that's I don't even know if that's the right word. I just wasn't the right terminology at all. You're a renaissance fan nearly as deep as you think how often are you going Nicole?
SPEAKER_00:Once a week.
SPEAKER_01:Okay got it.
SPEAKER_00:But I haven't gone for like three because I was in Scotland. So I'm excited. Where can people find you?
SPEAKER_01:They can find me uh my passion's all on Instagram I have a Facebook and I hate Facebook I feel uh like a boomer every time I log in there um but at comedian discovery and then at comedian discovery for live shows and then at comedian discovery underscore graphics I've started to like kind of put some of the stuff I've made on there almost like a catalog um and then other comics will like see it like can you make me something that looks like that so it's kind of like whatever and it's kind of cool to like kind of like put the thing I made somewhere.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah that's awesome. Well thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me. Um and thank you guys for listening or watching please subscribe so you don't miss any episodes um I'll be back with another guest next week The End. Thanks for listening to my crunchy zen era please subscribe and leave a review wherever you listen to your podcasts. This podcast is produced by me, Nicole Swisher and my good friends Summer Harcup and Liz Colder. Editing is by Drew Harrison Media and recording is done by Logos Creative in Nashville, Tennessee. Thanks for hanging out we'll be back next week sweet
