My Crunchy Zen Era
Welcome to My Crunchy Zen Era — we're not exactly sure what it means, but we're figuring it out.
It started when I asked my friends: How do you create a life you love? Then it turned into a podcast full of a little fun, a little humor, and a whole lot of curiosity. Each week we dive into a fresh topic with a guest, exploring everything from everyday joys to life’s bigger questions. Whether we’re laughing, learning, or just letting things unfold, this show is your weekly dose of lighthearted inspiration.
Hosted by Nicole Swisher.
My Crunchy Zen Era
Lights, Camera, Laughter: A Cinematographer's Journey with Brinn Daniels
Stubbornness, talent, and occasionally rapping all 14 minutes of "Rapper's Delight" are just a few traits that helped Brinn Daniels in her cinematography career. On this episode Brinn and Nicole chat about:
- Internships at Comedy Central, The Daily Show, and Saturday Night Live.
- How saying "no" to seemingly perfect opportunities can lead to something even better.
- The challenges of being a woman in the film industry.
- Creating commercials for the lowest common denominator.
- Conspiracy theories and interdimensional beings.
- Advice for aspiring filmmakers.
- Standup comedy opportunities.
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Hey, brian. Hey, what's something crunchy or zen that you've done lately?
Speaker 2:I'm kind of doing a lot right now. I'm trying to slowly get all the toxins out of everything, but it's impossible.
Speaker 1:You mean like out of your house, out of your food? Yeah, house food body.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's every time we like. Even today, I had this tea bag. I really wanted some tea and I saw something on Instagram that said there's tons of microplastics in the tea bag. Yeah, but you know what? I'm changing out my pots and my pans and I'm getting PFASs out, and so I'm very slowly doing all of those things very slowly.
Speaker 1:I feel like we have not talked about this, because I did that in November and I have a Word document on my desktop that says going clean. And it's like different things. I'm slowly working on. So Black Friday, my goal is to buy new pots and pans. I want the caraway ones, so did I, and they're expensive. But, last year there was a really good Black Friday sale. I just was not ready to pull the trigger.
Speaker 2:So this year, this year's my year brand, that's good, I our place, I think it was had a back to school sale and so I got like a little mini set and that was I'm getting there, you know nice welcome to my crunchy zen era.
Speaker 1:This is a weekly podcast filled with a little fun, a little humor and a whole lot of curiosity. My guest this week is Bryn Daniels. I'm your host, nicole Swisher, as usual, except I forgot to share that this time. This is the first time I've ever forgot what's my name. That feels like me in comedy shows again every time I host going. Wait, did I say?
Speaker 2:my name. I used to do that. All the time I do that at church, they have me like make announcements at church and they're like why don't you ever say your name? I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's the last thing you remember, yeah, so Brynn and I met doing stand-up comedy. She's a local stand-up comedian. You do some outside of Nashville too. I feel like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Kentucky, Florida, but the Southeast for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she's an assistant professor of cinematography at Belmont University. Yeah, I just started this week. That's exciting, yeah it's very cool.
Speaker 2:I'm loving the community there, nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how? I mean? How is it different from Lipscomb?
Speaker 2:Not very, because they're both. Neither of them are huge schools and they're both Christian private colleges, but it's enough bigger that that's a little bit different, yeah, but it's. It seems like it's going to be a really good fit, really fun, good.
Speaker 1:Well, we're excited to have you here at the end of your first week. Yeah, thanks for having me. So if you could relive any memory, what would it be and why?
Speaker 2:Of course I want to say the cheesy ones, right, because that's fine, we've had lots of cheesy ones okay, well, like you know, I'm on my second marriage, but it was a beautiful, just kind of private backyard wedding with us and our kids, and it was just like if you could have a time capsule of a day yeah no pressure.
Speaker 1:Um, I would love to relive that and just do that again do you feel like you don't remember it very well, or you just want to like have those feelings again? Yeah, it.
Speaker 2:It was only four years ago, so I remember it pretty well, but it was just so peaceful and so lovely and just like we didn't have. You know, my kids are old, a little bit older now, and we're all just going in a million different directions, and that was a time when we were just all really present with each other. Yeah, so I would love to get more of that.
Speaker 2:And as the summer has officially ended and everyone's back in school, it's like right now. That's exactly what I'm craving is more connection with my family, because we're all kind of going everywhere.
Speaker 1:I'm always amazed with my friends who have kids. When the school year starts I mean even during the summer, there's so many vacations but I'm like I don't understand how you guys manage this.
Speaker 2:You're just an Uber driver for a lot of years, especially when you have, like we're outnumbered. You know we have three.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I've been, I've been anticipating this week because, living in Bellevue, commuting to Brentwood, I hit CPA, the private school traffic, and it like doubles my commute, oh yeah, and so my co-workers kids go there and so I've been like Chandler. When are we starting back?
Speaker 2:and I'm like this is D-Day, it's totally true, because it's so Nashville kind of like eases in. So we have one kid in private school and, sorry, two kids in private, one in public. They start in totally different places, they're in totally different places, they're in totally different counties at different times.
Speaker 2:Um well, actually now they're at the same exact time during the day that I have to get everybody, but my, my oldest, just turned 16, so she is going to be driving herself and her younger brother to school, which is great, yeah, but also terrifying as a parent.
Speaker 1:This is the kid last year that I was giving advice to.
Speaker 2:Yes, she went and visited colleges. This summer gosh, yeah, I'm already crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, but they do so. Public school starts first, then private school and then college, so literally my calendar has three different school calendars on it. It's a mess, yeah, but it's good. So you'll get another bit of traffic here in a week, yeah, ugh, don't say that.
Speaker 1:Sorry, it's just it's rough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, nashville traffic is no joke.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, and it's so connected to the schools, I mean and and tourists, but, like you just know, it's coming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because traffic here starts. It doesn't start at 5 pm like it does in some cities. It starts when school is out. It starts at 3 pm, so it is all connected to the schools.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, we could keep talking about traffic, but that is not our topic today. Okay, I'm going to ask you a grab bag question here. Okay, let's find the question. It is are you an introvert, extrovert or ambivert?
Speaker 2:I guess probably it would be ambivert, but I feel like an introvert because of the definition that says like if you feel drained when you're out in crowds and I do, like it's so weird Cause I teach right, so I'm teaching in a crowd and then I do stand-up comedy in a crowd, so you would think I would say extrovert so I guess I'm an ambivert, because I can be, but then I get home and I'm like, please, no one talk to me for at least an hour. Yeah, which I don't have. That luxury.
Speaker 1:I actually think a lot of stand-up comedians might be introverted. Yeah, or am ambivert. There's not as many extroverts. What do you think you are? I'm definitely an ambivert, there's not as many extroverts.
Speaker 2:What do you think you are?
Speaker 1:I'm definitely an ambivert, which I never remember what that's called, so I'm glad to see I wrote that. You wrote it down, so that's good. Yeah, and I always struggle to balance that, because if I'm alone too long then I get exhausted that way. But if I'm with people too much, then I'm exhausted that way.
Speaker 2:Oh, I never get exhausted from being alone.
Speaker 1:Really no, I don't.
Speaker 2:But also, I'm not alone very much, because I have three kids, that's true, you know, and I am alone, solidly alone, truly truly no. All alone all the time Sounds like a dream, but it doesn't. I'm kidding. Yeah, I love my family. I really do. I love my family.
Speaker 1:I really do. My roommate is also. He's an introvert and we have opposite schedules, like he works Wednesday to Saturday, 12 to 10. And then I work like a normal Monday to Friday office job and it is so absolutely perfect and like we are very respectful of each other and like I leave him alone on like Monday and Tuesday when he has it off, and then he'll often just leave Sunday and then I'm just like alone.
Speaker 2:So it's like a beautiful friendship yeah, that's lovely, just ships passing in the night in a wonderful way, yes, yeah, and then we catch up, and then we move on. So that's good.
Speaker 1:I like that, right. Yeah, what kind of great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what would you say is something people would be surprised to learn about you. I'll go with my old party trick. I am a five-foot-tall white girl and I used to love pulling out the entire 14 minutes of Rapper's Delight, just like at a party, for fun.
Speaker 1:I know the whole thing. How long is this? Because we have some time.
Speaker 2:I said a hit no, so I love that.
Speaker 1:So I like surprising people with that kind of stuff, and what would you say like when you were in middle school, what did you think you would be when you grew up?
Speaker 2:I think I thought I would be a singer. Can you sing? I can. Yeah, I didn't know that about you. I don't do it much anymore, but I like, I loved it and I always thought that I would do something with singing and I don't at all, but I do feel like you enjoy performing.
Speaker 1:I do it's kind of, I do it's adjacent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I just heard about a comedian Shoot I can't remember where she's based out of Maybe Missouri or Arkansas who does kind of like a faith based worship, singing and comedy.
Speaker 1:OK, I was like I got to get in on that.
Speaker 2:Like I don't know what it is. I got to see it though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, youtube videos for sure, yeah, okay, can you tell me about what you do now For work, for work, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not the fun. I mean we can talk about that too, I know, but you know a lot about that. So, yeah, I just started at Belmont, so I teach cinematography. I'm a professor there. I was at Lipscomb up until this year, so I get. I always like to joke that I teach the fun stuff and nothing practical, but it's very hands-on, like I do teach how to use cameras and how to use lighting and how to craft a story from the more technical side of things, and I'm also an editor by trade. So I taught a little bit of that at Lipscomb. But just helping people tell stories in a more visual way, how to get emotion to come through with the visual tools that you use, not just the words that people are saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's such a visual medium yeah, and did you write before and like film and do all the things like that?
Speaker 2:yeah, I, you know, like every young film student, I was like, oh, I'm going to be a director and I'm going to do movies and, um, I didn't love directing as much as editing and shooting.
Speaker 1:Really yes.
Speaker 2:Maybe because I'm an introvert, but I I enjoyed being on a team, Um, but not necessarily being the leader or the final. I kind of like listening to someone's vision and and feeling. I feel like it's a challenge for me. I'm gonna understand what this director wants and I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I love that, and so is that what the director is. They're just like team captain like. This is what we're doing yeah, they're kind.
Speaker 2:There's a good director, is a jack of all trades and I mean, and a master of maybe some, but really none. They create a great team and they just kind of like have the vision and pull it all together with a great producer, you know, with a great team. But the great ones, the great directors, know a little bit how to talk to their cinematographer and know a little bit about sound and a little bit about all the things and I just really zoned in on the two things that.
Speaker 1:I like. How is that different from a producer?
Speaker 2:Producers just have to deal more with the money stuff. They'll also be pulling the team together and um, but general and sometimes they'll, and, but general and sometimes they'll. You know, have a bit to do with the, the overall creative vision. But for the most part and the producers will often hire the directors so that will take it in a certain creative direction, but for the most part the director kind of has the final say yeah, except in a studio situation.
Speaker 1:So were you always kind of creative growing up.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it was very strange because I grew up in a very sciencey family, so generations of pharmacists, and then I was like I want to go to New York and make movies or you know, and so it was very weird. But I started doing theater from a young age and, god bless my parents, they were so supportive of this thing that they didn't know anything about. And yeah, so I actually my parent, my dad, tells this fun story when I was very little, sitting in my grandfather's lap, so I did acting that was kind of how I started and he he says, before I could talk, that I would sit in my grandfather's lap and he would give me an emotion and I would act it out.
Speaker 1:So, yes, from the very beginning, yeah, and you're pretty expressive, I would say on stage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as a stand-up comedian.
Speaker 1:I like making faces you do. I feel like you're caught a lot when people are taking pictures.
Speaker 2:It's not attractive, but it's entertaining.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah was there like a movie or film growing up that really inspired you to head into filmmaking. So cliche.
Speaker 2:I mean I loved the original Star Wars and I had brothers so that was a very big like culturally, that was very big in our house, right. So I loved Star Wars. That's kind of what got me into it all the special effects, the camera work um. And then when I got older, my my favorite film was Eternal. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Have you ever seen it? No, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1:Jim.
Speaker 2:Carrey in a serious role, which is not a big deal now, but at the time you know it was different um, you want to hear something weird, what I haven't seen all the Star Wars. I hear that so much.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's like something to be ashamed of, but I'm just like I have memories of like blips of scenes, yeah, so I'm sure I was like walking through the room or something because it was just always around.
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, the toys like everything. But I mean I had two brothers right, so I had like there was no getting away from Star Wars in my house. Did you have a movie that you really liked growing up?
Speaker 1:Freaky Friday comes to mind. Given that Freakier Friday is coming out, definitely liked that. I was texting some friends last night. I was like who's going to see this?
Speaker 2:I heard it was fun and I heard it was geared more towards our age demographic yes, yeah yeah, I could definitely see that. I love Alex. My husband took our daughter because that's her favorite movie.
Speaker 1:The old freaky really she loves that movie.
Speaker 2:I love it so she was not gonna wait until next weekend and I couldn't go, but they had a great time yeah, I don't think I can go until for like a few weeks yeah, you're busy, it's fine, yeah good stuff yeah, but yeah solid, it's a great I have been really liking Lindsay Lohan's movies on Netflix lately, yeah like what other ones, the Christmas ones that she's been doing.
Speaker 1:Oh, are they new? Um, yeah, I mean the last couple years I I didn't they're so cheesy it's amazing. I love a cheesy Christmas movie, though, yeah, I can't remember what they're called, but they'll, I mean they'll pop up, they'll be around soon, you know.
Speaker 2:Give it a month, all the Christmas movies will be out oh yeah, I think it's so funny how many of them shoot in the summer, like here in Nashville okay, I didn't know that they're in. Nashville. Yeah, I was just talking to a camera guy the other day who had shot another one here in Nashville over the summer. I was like how are they? They're just like blowing air conditioning and fake snow. I'm like that sounds miserable, trying to pretend Like inside or something. No, like they'll do exteriors. I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 1:That's interesting. I was actually going to ask you about the scene here in Nashville. For film, yeah, for film, there's a lot.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of creative people, because there's a lot of music video here and then I didn't know this before I moved here but there's a lot of advertising.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:And so that comes with a lot of production people. Atlanta is kind of bigger on TV and, I think, still film, but there's a lot of documentary style stuff happening right now. There's like a health documentary show. I know there's some true crime that shoots in, you know Nashville and then parts of like the Midwest as well interesting. So we get a little bit of everything yeah, it's so interesting.
Speaker 1:it's not a world that I really know, but no, since moving here, I know three actors, which is weird. I've never known any. Yeah, and I mean nobody like big.
Speaker 2:It's just they're all trying to make it. You know, yeah, and it really is a hub and you can sustain yourself between Nashville and Atlanta. So I know a lot of people that do that, who are actors.
Speaker 1:Have you done any of that work here, or have you been teaching?
Speaker 2:I've been teaching mostly but I love music videos. So I did a lot of music videos and I worked in advertising, actually for the first kind of decade that I was here. So I was in the production house of an advertising firm editing and shooting and directing sometimes and writing and it was this awesome like small firm. So I got to do. I mean I even sang jingles. You know, sometimes you sang jingles. Yeah, yes, I got to do. I mean I even sang jingles. You know, sometimes you sang, oh yeah, jingles, yeah yes, I got to do everything.
Speaker 1:It was fun. Yeah, did you write the commercials or did somebody come? Sometimes okay did you find that challenging to get creative with that.
Speaker 2:It's a different challenge because you only have 30 seconds and you kind of have to tell a story and get an emotional pull, and then the type of, and then advertising too, you have to kind of play to a really like a big common denominator. So I remember, like you know, fresh off my graduate degree, and I'm writing these commercials, they just mark it up and go no four syllable words, good point, good point, good note. They're like cast a wide net you know, so, yeah, it was different, but then I had fun with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Some of the clients would let us. We mostly did attorney commercials oh really, yeah, so cheesy and silly. But what was nice about that is that we didn't take ourselves very, you know, seriously. So we would just cut up in the studio all the time and have fun. But then we would have some people like there was one guy out of Texas called himself the Texas Hammer. We had another guy that called himself the Bull, and so like we got a real bull With the Texas Hammer. We had him smash through a door, like that was fun. You know, for a minute the guy out of Texas was gonna get MC Hammer.
Speaker 2:He was trying and MC I mean like I'm a huge MC Hammer fan, so I had so much fun writing they never happened, but it was so much fun writing commercials for an attorney that involved MC Hammer anyways, I could go out, it was fun.
Speaker 1:Some attorneys have a sense of humor that's right you're, you're one of them.
Speaker 2:I'm one of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, few, and far between.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you're a little bit more well-respected than some of the ones.
Speaker 1:Thanks, yeah, yeah. What would you say was one of your favorite projects to work on other than attorney commercials, other than attorney commercials While I was there.
Speaker 2:There I was allowed to use their equipment and studios. And then a fellow this was when I was in the editing side of things my fellow editor had a band and I got to make a music video for his band and music videos are my favorite projects and I don't know that one's still one of my favorites because my kids were in it. All my friends and I were shooting it together and it was my buddy's music and I still like he's a very talented musician, so I loved it.
Speaker 1:How. I mean, how do you make a music video? You know it's a big question, but I'm like, where would you start?
Speaker 2:so many different ways. You have to decide if you want it to be narrative or not. I actually teach a whole class on this, so you might not have wanted to go down that road, but yeah, I mean you have to decide do you want narratives or do you want a story, or do you just want it to be performance based? And a lot of times that has more to do with budget.
Speaker 2:You know how big of a story can you tell and how much money do you have to go, you know, all over town and hire actors and shoot it? But um, and you need, you need a good, solid crew.
Speaker 2:Yeah cool what has been like one of the biggest challenges in your career every single time there's a strike or you know big layoffs or projects, I mean it just in a creative field it just happens all the time, yeah, and so freelancing can be really tough, um, on the whole, you know, for like a decade or whatever. But so I I made a conscious decision after freelancing for just a couple years that I wanted to try to have things more steady. So I did work at an advertising firm where it was like more nine to five, so I had kids too by that point. So so I needed that. And then I always knew I got my master's degree right out of college because I knew that I could teach at the professor level in my field with just that.
Speaker 2:So as soon as, like, even that advertising firm had picked up and I just couldn't travel with them as much as they wanted me to, it was really nice to then be able to move over into teaching. How much travel is involved With the advertising because it was such a small firm. We started like once or twice a year and then by the time I left it was getting to be five or six and I was a single mom then. So I was like I really can't. I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what would you say are like some personality traits that would make someone successful in this area.
Speaker 2:In filmmaking in general. I'll say if you're, if advertising there were a lot of, I mean, mad Men captured it, it was a wild place. And filmmaking if you're going to freelance, you really do, you have to be tough, and I think it does help if you are an extrovert, because so much of it is about relationships yeah you will get your job based on the person that liked you from the last set that you were on that makes sense yeah, yeah and so, other than, obviously, the traveling played into switching to teaching what I mean, what else went into that decision?
Speaker 1:The hours?
Speaker 2:Yeah, as the kids. Again, I've got kids, so like I really wanted to be able to pick them up from school and and take them to school and have spring break with them and have it not, and take them to school and have spring break with them and have it not.
Speaker 2:It's just always a fight, you know when you're in a nine to five and now that I have a schedule that you know it doesn't match exactly, but it matches up pretty well. At Christmas time and over the summer I can be more present with them. So I mean that that was the biggest thing yeah, um, I had a question in my head. I was like ready to go and then I just looked at you and I was like I don't know, it's gone you'll get it later.
Speaker 1:It'll come back, yeah, oh, I know what. Did you find that teaching came naturally to you, or was it a pretty big switch that you had to work at?
Speaker 2:I had a little bit of both, because when I started I didn't have, like they call it, pedagogy. It's this very fancy word pedagogy, right like learning how to teach other people and with my degree I didn't have any of those classes, so I never formally learned how to teach and our department at Lipscomb, where I started, was so small that there was nobody to really. Everybody was too busy. Nobody could be like, hey, I'll help you.
Speaker 2:it was like you're in figure it out it was all trial by fire, so that my classes that I planned looked very different the next year yeah, and they did the first year, but it was not. I like to think that I was good at it, but I definitely wasn't great at it at first and I just had to like, through feedback with the students and through just looking and going, they're not engaged. I can tell that they're not engaged. I need to rethink this. You know, lecture or activity?
Speaker 1:or whatever. Yeah, it is. I mean, it's really a skill set. There's a reason teachers actually go to school for that yeah, yeah, I feel like a lot of people think they can just kind of like slip in and it'll be like an easy change. I don't think that's the case. It's not it's not.
Speaker 2:it's not that you can't get there. Some people can't, I mean, most people can, but there are some people who don't who they do it and they're like I really don't like this and I'm not communicating. They just can tell that they're not connecting the concepts and there are some of the best, like filmmakers and practitioners, but it's a whole different thing to communicate it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure. What do you find you enjoy best about teaching?
Speaker 2:The relationships with the students, about teaching the relationships with the students. You know they're like 18 to 22 in my case and they're like the world is their oyster. But it's all so terrifying and I remember that. I remember being in their shoes and being terrified and I enjoy like being able to guide and like a lot of times I feel like I'm just like an extra mom you know, come to my office and they're dealing with this life thing, or they're, you know.
Speaker 2:Do you know asking me if I ever have, um, if I ever feel like I don't belong and it's like, yes, that gets better, but you will constantly deal with that in your life like imposter syndrome. I don't want to say it never goes away, but you, you know, I feel it. Now I'm starting at a new place and I'm like everybody here is so accomplished, you know, looking at their CVs, I'm like mine doesn't have any, you know. So you still feel that way and I think I enjoy being able to reassure them and also to say I didn't think I could do what you're doing either, but now I teach people how to do it so you can definitely do it. How to do it, so you can definitely do it. You know, I like that part of it.
Speaker 1:Do you get to be involved in their projects? A lot like filmmaking, anything like that.
Speaker 2:Sometimes, yeah, and if they want me to be more so than I will. But it is nice, I think, to like let them go out and fail sometimes, because they're going to learn from that. If I just tell them don't do this and do that and don't do this, you know going to learn from that. If I just tell them don't do this and do that and don't do this, you know it doesn't stick as much as if they just I'm like just go, just go do it, and they'll fail at some things and they'll accomplish some other things and they'll get better, it's the best way.
Speaker 1:Are they all out there doing music videos now?
Speaker 2:So yeah, so at our at Belmont now it's like, um, there are a lot of them.
Speaker 1:I mean Belmont's very music, heavy right.
Speaker 2:Belmont and Lipscomb were very music heavy.
Speaker 1:I didn't know Lipscomb yeah.
Speaker 2:But the program at Belmont is specifically like motion pictures, and so I'm already like how can I sneak in music videos? I mean, I love movies too, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I know I'm always like you guys should really have a music video class here.
Speaker 1:Been there a week, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I, I'm gonna make it happen yeah, would you say.
Speaker 1:there have there been any opportunities over the years that you ended up turning down that like it seemed like, oh my gosh, I should do this, but then for sure, the biggest one.
Speaker 2:I like to say that I peaked in college. All my coolest jobs were while I was still a student. I saw you had some pretty cool internships and stuff. Yeah, I mean, I really did so. I interned at Saturday Night Live. That was my coolest one and I got asked to be an executive assistant at SNL at SNL by one of the top executives and I but I I had worked there and I had seen how that person treated there yeah so I knew that it could be a great opportunity, but I also knew that I'd be working 80 to a hundred hours a week and that I could also then not.
Speaker 2:I saw this person had a wonderful assistant who did everything I mean as far as I could see as perfectly as you could have done it. And at the end of that year that person wanted to get out and move up and the executive was so mad that they were leaving that kind of blacklisted them and that was the executive that wanted me.
Speaker 2:And also the tough thing was I had worked in a different department and they told me they were like look, we would have hired you the next time something came up, but if you say no to this executive, I won't be allowed to hire you. Oh, that was really hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Do you regret that or do you feel like you made the right decision? I?
Speaker 2:don't. I don't regret it because I would have again 80 to 100 hours a week and I wouldn't have been pursuing my dreams at all and it could have at the end of it, I could have been like that their last assistant and not gotten anything out of it anyways.
Speaker 1:I always feel like the one of the hallmarks of a good leader is that when you tell them you have an opportunity, that and it's something that'll help you grow, that they might be sad that you're leaving but they're happy for you Agree, and I think it's very telling if that's not the case and should be reassuring.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's so. Kudos to the boss in my department who was like I'm going to be real with you, that is going to be hard and we would have hired you, but if you say no, I won't be able to. And I was like, all right, and, but that's when I decided to go to graduate school. So I think, like you know, when God closes the door, he opens a window. Um, and I didn't have grad school on my radar at all, but I also wasn't. I'm a cinematographer.
Speaker 2:Now, I would never, after undergrad, have told you that I could do that. I was like I'm five foot tall, I can't lift things like the dudes who like, when you think of a cinematographer, you think of a tall guy who can lift all the camera and equipment and stuff. And I, when I went to grad school, I was like you know, I still really want to do this, and now I'm just going to, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna pour myself into it and it was only because of those extra years that I got the confidence to do that part of it at all.
Speaker 1:That's really cool yeah, so you don't have to be able to lift. I've seen you carry some stuff.
Speaker 2:I I did like I worked in the equipment center in grad school because I felt so deficient in that like camera world and I made sure that I could lift all the things and that I knew how everything fit together, because I it was also. I mean, it was a time like in the 2000s it wasn't common, there weren't female cinematographers. I got laughed at when I told somebody at an internship in LA that I wanted to be a cinematographer really oh, completely and completely.
Speaker 2:And I didn't even, I wasn't even upset, I was like, yeah, I get it, this is not going to be easy.
Speaker 1:I mean, how did you find the confidence to continue after someone laughs at your dream? I'm very stubborn.
Speaker 2:Served you well. I'm very stubborn. You're a lawyer.
Speaker 1:You get it. I do, I'm like oh, you think I can't do it? Huh, now guess what? Yeah, I'm gonna do 10 times better actually that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, laugh at me will you.
Speaker 1:Are there more women now in the field for?
Speaker 2:sure, actually in um, I think the movie was made in 2017 and the Oscar nomination was 2018. I could be getting that year slightly wrong, but the first female was nominated for cinematography for the first time ever for cinematography in in 2018. And Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, the movie that I mentioned, had a big impact on me. One of the reasons was and that was 2002 or 2003. I should know, but it's very close to there it was the first movie I ever saw in a theater that was shot by a female.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was Ellen Kuras. So you see, ellen, and you're, like that's for sure, a woman.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I was so intrigued by that and it was after that that I went to grad school, and it was after that that I started that I went to grad school and was like maybe I, maybe I can you know.
Speaker 1:Isn't it so interesting how, even though you maybe didn't know what she looked like, but you're like that's a woman, so she at least looks somewhat like me. Right, it can really impact just having the confidence.
Speaker 2:I think that we're more evolved than that, that we don't have to see somebody that looks like us. But I did, and my first cinematography class that I taught at Lipscomb um.
Speaker 2:I had. I had a girl in there who I they they asked me specifically like what was it like being a female, you know, when you were trying to be a cinematographer? And she cried. She was like I just never. And she does it for a living now and she's great at it. She's great at it, she's in LA and San Francisco. But yeah, it's nice. It's nice to see somebody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it matters. I mean, that's why representation in general matters a lot, whether it's books, movies, tv shows, anything it really does. I mean, it just makes a difference when you see people who look like you. Who?
Speaker 2:look like you or who think like you, and it's not like it doesn't have to only be that Right, but especially for a profession. I mean, I literally was just like well, I can't do that. I'm just you know, not say I'm just a girl, but I'm you know, like I don't see anybody else doing it.
Speaker 1:Who's a girl, I obviously can't do that. Maybe I could be a camera assistant. You know, that was really my thinking. Yeah, I know. So my mom went to law school when I was in high school and so I never got the impression that a woman couldn't be a lawyer because I was like, well, my mom's doing it, right, here we go. It was always on the table, yeah, um, but I know that she wanted to go when, like after college, and I asked her one time why she didn't and it was because women didn't do that very much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was more to it as well like she wanted to be a mom and at the time, yeah, even more. It's harder to see that it's. It's tough now to be a lawyer. Yeah, as at the time even more.
Speaker 2:It's harder to see that it's tough now to be a lawyer, as a mom, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I would say there were 50% female in law school. It's when you get out of law school and choose the practice area that it becomes very different. And in the practice area I went to, it's unusual. I was once one of the partners, once told me that a client said to him that I would have it made because I'm a female in private equity and I was like, have it made Like this is miserable being the only woman here. So it's just, it's. It's interesting to think about that and what he was implying, that I would just they'd keep promoting me because they needed their token woman no so it.
Speaker 1:It was very like shocking for me to go from. I mean my mom's doing it, there's 50% women in law school Like what are you talking about? And then just going and being like, oh, I was naive.
Speaker 2:I'm not often with people who have been in that situation, because I've been in that situation for sure as well. Did you like have any tactics that you would do to make the men feel more comfortable with you being around any?
Speaker 1:tactics that you would do to make the men feel more comfortable with you being around. Oh, interesting, I mean I was pretty quiet.
Speaker 1:I would fade into the background a lot. Okay, I tried to be non-confrontational and like, one biggest events for of the year was a golf event one time, and I was the only woman out of over a hundred people, and so I actually went and did golf lessons to show up, um, but I always felt I was trying to make myself, as I don't know, fly on the wall as possible. I don't know, fly on the wall as possible, um to not be, because I think in my profession, women are often viewed as pushovers, um, or a word I will choose not to use on this clean podcast that we can all you know, female dog ish um, and so I was always very aware of that and obviously that one's worse so I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna be a pushover like.
Speaker 2:I had.
Speaker 1:I've had men take credit for my work and I just sat there and took it same I.
Speaker 2:I didn't sit there and take it, I went the other way but I, I don't love how I manifested because I'm in those situations and I would be. You know, you're in an electrical department and it is just as masculine as that sounds. And so there, you know, you're on a walkie talkie and they're telling, you know, raunchy jokes. And then you would hear uh Bryn, are you on the line? You know, and you could just and like everyone would be quite. You know, and you could just and like everyone would be quiet. You knew, I knew that somebody went around in person, was like there's a chick on the line. Oh my God, you better not you guys better be quiet, because it would be dead silent for a minute.
Speaker 1:And then they would.
Speaker 2:So I did and I hate this now that I did this but I started like cussing around the guys to be because they would all do that. That wasn't me, you know, and I really regret that. But you know, in 2003 four or five I just like. I wanted like, just be calm. It's just like I'm just a person and that was the only way that I could think of you know, like you, you don't want to stick out any more no than you already do, and so I feel like we almost were doing the same.
Speaker 1:We were taking different tactics to get to the same spot yeah, and I I regret not speaking up, but there I chose certain moments to speak up and I, yeah, there were repercussions for it always um yes like I was told one time all well, now you have to be quiet.
Speaker 1:You've used your political capital and I was like, yes, sir, I know, so it really is choosing your battles and that and I, I think you know, being 37 now and feeling like I've gone through so much more of life, I just have a lot of grace towards that 28 year old who was just lost and, frankly, scared a lot, um through some of the experiences I had early in my career and it, I, I, I don't think that it was worthless, like I think that I, I would never say I'm grateful because I would never want to relive some of the things, but I those weren't on my list of things.
Speaker 2:I wanted to relive either.
Speaker 1:Not a fan. 10 out of 10. Don't recommend, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I just think, though, that there's a reason, like I'm going to make sure there's a reason I went through it For sure, because I don't want, like I'm gonna make sure there's a reason I went through it because I don't want, I don't ever want, to sit back and there always is yeah, and you may not know now, you may know in it could 20 years, but you will be able to use that experience for something for the good. I believe that with everything.
Speaker 1:I agree, yeah, and I do think it's getting better, for sure mean in my field as well.
Speaker 2:It is getting better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and right now I work with mostly men and it's fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they treat me good, my. So I just adopted um my husband's daughter and the firm that we used for that, which is wonderful and she's the best the firm we use is an all female firm, Really. Yeah, and I just thought, and my husband hired them, like he picked them because of their merit. I didn't go seeking an all-female. He like found the best people to do it and it happens to be an all-female firm and I love that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like are you good? Yeah, that's what matters. Yeah, um stand-up comedy, bryn? Yeah, where does that come in? I?
Speaker 2:remember vividly before Comedy Central and after Comedy Central, and as soon as Comedy Central became a thing like that's all I watched. I watched stand-up all the time. It was my favorite favorite thing to watch. To listen to in the car like just 100%. My favorite thing never in a million years. To in the car like just a hundred percent. My favorite thing Never in a million years did I think I would ever, ever, ever do it, because who am I? And that's terrifying, and I want people to like me, you know, and if I start going telling my opinion everywhere, nobody's going to like me, you know. So, um, but I, I went to NYU and so I was surrounded by comedy there and you saw my CV, but first I interned at Comedy Central.
Speaker 2:I went to a job fair and I was like the first person to go up to the table and that's because I got there early. Remember to get there early. That was a big, but I was the first one to go to the table and she ended up hiring me. So I interned at Comedy Central at a really exciting time. Somebody there knew the person who hired interns at the Daily Show and they got me an interview at the Daily Show. And then somebody there had interned at SNL and they got me.
Speaker 2:So every single opportunity was because of somebody that I met at one of the others but I. So I've always loved it and I've always wanted to be a part of it, but I never thought I would do it. My first, one of my first college classes at NYU. You do those cheesy introductions and this woman who ended up becoming my one of my best friends in the world said, just mentioned casually that she does stand up comedy and I was like we're gonna be friends you know, and she, you know we still are to this day.
Speaker 2:She's awesome, um, and then when I got divorced and like had some kind of harder things happen in my 30s, he's just like you're like you only live once. I'm gonna do this now. Yeah, so, being an academic, I took a class first and then I mean I did too there you go, yeah, I. I want the academics of it, the mechanics, but yeah, and I just I love it. I love it so much. Yeah, how did you get into it? My therapist you have some stuff to work out and we only have an hour.
Speaker 1:You need stage time. No, she actually recommended improv due to I was having a lot of anxiety at the time and she was like improv would be great, yeah, but I always found improv really scary because I'm like I'm not. I've never felt like I was very quick witted, yeah, like I like to sit back, take it in then say something, yeah. So I saw that standup was at third coast and I had heard you're like close enough.
Speaker 1:I know I was like you prepare ahead of time and then just get up and do what you prepared. Yeah that's me, that's great. And I was like it doesn't matter if I'm bad at it, like I don't. That's so funny. I've never thought I was funny. So what do I have to lose? Yeah, just them telling me I'm not funny. I already knew that see that was.
Speaker 2:That would have been devastating to me. I did improv for fun in college. That was no big deal to me but, getting up and being like this is who I am. It was terrifying, yeah, interesting, but I love it now.
Speaker 1:I love it. Yeah, I loved the classes. Yeah, because people were very supportive and it just felt so like new and different, and I've always enjoyed public speaking.
Speaker 2:So it was like I can get up in front and whatever and you can, and you're great at producing, which is not a lot.
Speaker 1:Of comedians can do both you know, and that's pretty much what I'm doing now, because I mean I haven't done stand-up in a while, yeah, but you've been. I feel like you've been pretty active, yeah, and you're a producer of the Clean comedy collective. I am.
Speaker 2:I have a show in Spring Hill right now. That's the only one that I'm officially, yeah, producing, but it's it's been going well and I, I love it. It's so much fun. I love the vendor there. The coffee shop is wonderful is that great?
Speaker 1:monthly, monthly, monthly, yeah, okay, monthly. I much prefer a monthly show than a weekly show. Oh my gosh, I can't. I couldn't even keep up with the monthly in the end yeah, like it's a lot.
Speaker 2:Weekly was a lot. We were doing that weekly show at the bunganut pig rip bunganut pig. They closed forever.
Speaker 1:It'd been there for like 30 40 years or something and it has shuttered yeah, interesting, but um, but weekly's tough. What is the place in Spring Hill where it's located?
Speaker 2:It's Just Love Coffee Shop in Spring Hill. Yeah, isn't there more than one? Yeah, so it's a chain, but it's, you know, franchisees. Yeah, and the owner there, frank Snodgrass, just has a beautiful story. He's got a wonderful heart, and so I was happy to partner with him because of his community focus. And he really loves his community and he wanted a space he already has like musicians there at night and he just has a great.
Speaker 1:He just has a great heart for the community there, and so it was an easy yes, for me, I think one of the hard things about producing is getting the audience to show up. Have you struggled with that at all, or is there a pretty yes, yeah?
Speaker 2:yes, not at spring hill, but in every other one that I've helped with. Yes, but spring hill, I think the difference is that, like I said, frank snodgrass, he has already built a community there that already comes at night for creative things like christian music, christian songwriters night, or they do like a swing dancing night. So there's already, like people already know to come there. Um, and I don't know if it just being that that little bit further away from Nashville, I feel like might help.
Speaker 1:I feel like it could, because that's like um the guy who runs comedian discovery and does the comedian discovery?
Speaker 2:live shows.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he, I think he's tapped into an audience there of like he does it in the suburbs more whereas there's a decent amount with Zany's Third Coast and then the local shows, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:But what? What Comedian Discovery? What Josiah is great at is the marketing. Yeah, he's good. He's so good at that and and, and, and. He's also, and I think that's a lot of it. He's so giving so many comedians like he'll just reach out to them and go hey, I think you could be doing this better on your social media and help them out, and then so they just love him forever in return, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I do too. I'm one of them. I'm a big fan, you know. He's actually going to be on the podcast in a few weeks so, oh, I can't wait to see that.
Speaker 2:Really good, yeah, he's awesome yeah, he's a great guy.
Speaker 1:Um, so your stand-up comedy does it? Do your jokes come easily, or do you have, to like, really work at it? I think both.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the first set, you know, I've I've got 30, 30 to 35 minutes right now and I mean you know when you're building you. Okay, this first 15 was hard you know, and the second 15 for me was also hard to kind of get right. And now what's terrifying is I have some audition tapes put together and I feel like I've been doing. You know I'm reaching out for opportunities to I feature a lot now and I've got a headlining, you know, coming up. It's exciting.
Speaker 1:It's a big deal it is a big deal.
Speaker 2:I'm very excited and I got to headline once already, um, for 25, 30 minutes and that was so fun. Um, I God bless them for putting me up when I barely barely knew what I was doing. But but, but it was, it was really fun shout out to Bobby and Joyce, cause that was a really fun show. But yeah, so I'm doing a bit more of that. What I'm terrified of is putting those away, cause I feel very comfortable right now with my 25 minutes, cause I've I've got a different five here I can pull, like I said, I've got about 35 and I can. I've been doing the jokes for a while, so I need to start putting them away.
Speaker 2:It's exciting to write. I love writing, but the idea of going back to ooh, I don't know if this is going to work is terrifying.
Speaker 1:But I'm doing it, I am. I always enjoyed as I got longer. I think the longest I did was 15 to 20, maybe, and it was really fun to look at your jokes and then say, like, how do these transition together? Yes it's like you're telling this story but you've written these jokes all separate, but you can figure out how they all go together yeah, and they can go together differently.
Speaker 2:I was.
Speaker 1:I love to like switch them around to find the right.
Speaker 2:It's a puzzle, yeah that's my favorite thing too you take your chunks, you go. Okay, here's my, you know, divorce chunk in my case.
Speaker 1:here's my favorite thing too you take your chunks, you go okay, here's my you know divorce chunk in my case.
Speaker 2:here's my you know my kids chunk. And I look at the audience and I go, oh, people here look like they have kids or no, they don't. So I'll swap that out with my dating chunk or whatever it's fun. It is fun, and especially when you get to the point where you can do that without having to think so hard. That's so cool.
Speaker 1:That's what I don't want to lose, like getting all the new material, yeah, that's it, that's all, yeah. And I've, like every once in a while, kind of like had an idea and I feel like I'm like how do I write jokes again? I don't even know. So we'll see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, I'm sure it'll be like riding a bike, sure it will.
Speaker 1:Let's say that it will. Yeah, yeah, um, what advice would you give someone who's interested in uh, I was gonna say filmography?
Speaker 2:cinematography or filmmaking in general. Yes, thank you. Um, just start with your phone, don't be intimidated. Just start trying. Try to tell a good story with what you have and it's not going to be good the first time and that's okay, you know. You can then look at it critically. There's a lot on YouTube now and you can do a lot with just your phone. Yeah, you know. So just I would say just start, you know and see what you like about it and what you don't, and tell your story. Just make it authentic. That's the other thing I would say. It's like what is your perspective and what are you trying to say in the world?
Speaker 2:and be authentic to that, and that that is what should shine through and that's advice I feel like.
Speaker 1:Just start be authentic. Yeah, that's it. Bullet points, yeah. So what are you obsessing over lately?
Speaker 2:This is. I hate this answer, but I am so into like, spiritual warfare and conspiracy theories, theories right now. Wow, which is like heavy, crazy stuff. Uh, okay, how do those go together? Sometimes they're the same okay. Like, for example, there's the aliens conspiracy theory and whatever side you fall on that, but there's a tie-in to spiritual warfare, because some people believe that aliens are actually interdimensional demons.
Speaker 1:Okay, I've heard that I haven't heard the interdimensional.
Speaker 2:I've definitely heard, just like sometimes there's a difference between demons and interdimensional, I think there's an argument that that's the same that's redundant, yeah, but some people think they're interdimensional beings and some people think they're demons and I I don't know what's, but I feel like it would be fascinating if they were interdimensional demons like this. And then if you I mean just on a day-to-day, if you think of it that way, like I don't know, it feels more like a battle that you can face. I know that sounds crazy, but like if it's all fate and it's all kind of written and it not, you know what's your, what's your role in that. But if, but if there's some little, there's some interdimensional demon like making your life harder, then it's I don't know, it's more like a challenge that I can stubbornly take on. Okay, I don't know, um, it's crazy, but it's so fun to me, it's just really fun to think about you know, I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 1:I I mean, I've heard, I didn't know you were a crazy person learning so much. What YouTube channel are you watching? I have a few, but um, yeah, um, I realized. So I decided what I'm obsessing over today is cranial sacral massage, because I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my cranial sacral lady, like on all the prior podcasts and I was like I think it's clear to everyone what I'm obsessing over.
Speaker 2:So, and that's, head massages, it's the whole body.
Speaker 1:It just like works with like your nervous system and stuff so cool. Got that at three o'clock today. That's cool. It's good though All massage is good, all massage is good. Yeah, yeah. Do you have a recommendation? I do.
Speaker 2:If the interdimensional demons was too far, don't worry, I have a lighter conspiracy theory, one that I love. It's a YouTube channel called the Y files. Have you heard of it? No Fascinating, so it'll go into, like some government stuff. There's this, like you know. I mean I'll have the classics, like you know aliens or Bigfoot. And then yeah like all the greats, but it'll go into government. You know stuff. Mk Ultra.
Speaker 1:I like some interdimensional stuff. I like government conspiracies yeah, definitely Bigfoot. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2:They're the classics yeah, the classics, the easy ones right the gateway to interdimensional dehumanization. It's a gateway drug.
Speaker 1:It is, yeah, interdimensional do you?
Speaker 2:it's a gateway drug.
Speaker 1:It is yeah, well, uh, okay. So I went to a bigfoot conference and I I knew this you and marianna were right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're gonna we're.
Speaker 1:The next podcast I'm recording is about that, so I don't want to go too far in, but yeah, let's just say portals were discussed, I might have to go next year.
Speaker 2:I really might.
Speaker 1:I feel like we're going to have a large group.
Speaker 2:So feel free, I'm in, I will do it yeah.
Speaker 1:So my recommendation is not quite on that level. I listen to this podcast called Zero to Travel. Oh, what's that about? It's about basically making travel like your lifestyle and like how people can do it differently, and I love that he interviews a lot of people about travel, so the one that I am recommending is April 22nd and it's called a 2190 plus mile mother-son adventure through hiking the Appalachian Trail after a decade of nomadic family travel.
Speaker 2:Good night. That's a title, it's quite a title.
Speaker 1:I know I'm like oh, it keeps going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just read it, Don't ever remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah but it was really interesting. It's what got me kind of interested in hiking part of the Appalachian Trail eventually. It just sounds very peaceful but also like hard and challenging. But they talk about how there's like people along there that'll have like food and drinks for you and you meet different people and yeah, yeah, and I thought it was cool that it was like a mother-son that is adventure. It's very unique yeah, and like I think she was working remotely, sometimes on the trail and he was doing some schooling.
Speaker 2:I'm like how?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it was. It was pretty interesting. I liked it. Yeah, what are you looking forward to this week? It's my second week in my new job Nice, so better than the first week, I feel like, but not quite crazy it was information overload Like.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you've ever had anything to do with teaching, but I'm sure you see the memes about professional development and it's just like all day seminar my dad was a teacher, was he?
Speaker 1:yeah, what did he teach sixth grade um history in English. Oh, that's so cool.
Speaker 2:30 years, sixth grade that's the lord's work. Yeah, that's tough, um yeah, so I'm looking forward to like getting to know more of my colleagues and finding out more about what I'm going to be doing for the rest of the year, but it's it's been a great transition so far. Like I'm, I work with some really nice but really impressive people.
Speaker 1:That's cool.
Speaker 2:I feel co-workers really make or break, make or break absolutely your direct supervisor and the people around you and my direct supervisor just seems awesome and I can already tell he's taken a lot of the last minute work off of my plate, which I am so appreciative of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great. Yeah, um, I am looking forward to the fact that right now there's a painter at my house painting my steps. These things have needed to be done for a long time. Good for you. I ripped out the okay I shouldn't say I, my dad and my nephew ripped off these like runners that were left from the cellar.
Speaker 1:They're just, they were hideous, just dated, and they would get so dirty and dusty it was hard to keep clean. So they ripped them out and there were all these holes and over the course of like a month and a half I've been filling the holes and sanding and I finally finished this last week. And now the painters they're painting, so there's not. My friend came over and she's like why are there red dots on your stairs?
Speaker 2:I'm like, yeah, that's the style now.
Speaker 1:Pimple breakout yeah, so I'm happy.
Speaker 2:I'll be home, I feel good, yeah, and it'll be fresh. Yes, our trim is looking real rough and we have a kid who just started driving and needed a car and we're staring down college and we're like it's gonna stay rough like we're not. It's fine, it'll keep peeling and eventually it'll peel all the way off, and then we'll do it, you know yes, I feel like that's house everything yeah, there's always something yeah so, brynn, where can people find you if they want to follow you?
Speaker 2:um, I love Instagram, so you can find me at Bryn Does Comedy on Instagram, and then I have Facebook as well. Bryn Daniels and I don't know, or come grab coffee with me at Belmont, I guess.
Speaker 1:Sounds great Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me, nicole. I miss you, I miss you too. We'll rectify that. Yeah, let on a podcast. No, yeah.
Speaker 1:Thank you, guys for listening. If you could, please follow the YouTube channel, that'd be so helpful and follow wherever you listen to your podcasts. I'll see you next week. All done. Yay, thanks for listening to my crunchy Zen era. Please subscribe and leave a review wherever you listen to your podcasts. This podcast is produced by me, nicole Swisher and my good friends Summer Harkup and Liz Colter, editing is by Drew Harrison Media and recording is done by Lagos Creative in Nashville, tennessee. Thanks for hanging out. We'll be back next week. There's some glow due to radiation Two heads where they usually are one.
