My Crunchy Zen Era
Welcome to My Crunchy Zen Era — we're not exactly sure what it means, but we're figuring it out.
It started when I asked my friends: How do you create a life you love? Then it turned into a podcast full of a little fun, a little humor, and a whole lot of curiosity. Each week we dive into a fresh topic with a guest, exploring everything from everyday joys to life’s bigger questions. Whether we’re laughing, learning, or just letting things unfold, this show is your weekly dose of lighthearted inspiration.
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My Crunchy Zen Era
Therapist or Hairstylist, Ghosts, and Being Uncomfortable with Brittany Otto
It was a karmic lesson for us to be uncomfortable... Brittany Otto shares in this week's episode. Join us this week as we discuss:
- Brittany's Akashic reading
- Spying on neighbors
- Ghosts and hauntings
- The challenges of being an empath hairstylist with healthy boundaries
- Hair loss due to COVID and Ozempic
- Accidental shrines
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Welcome to my Crunchy Zen Era. I am Nicole Swisher and today my guest is Brittany Otto. Welcome, brittany, thank you. How are you?
Speaker 2:doing. I'm awesome. This is exciting.
Speaker 1:This is so exciting, thank you. So what's? What is something crunchy or zen that you've done lately?
Speaker 2:okay, so this is something that I had to think about. I just did an Akashic reading a what? Akashic reading? Okay, tell me more. Okay, so my friend learned how to do Akashic readings where it's basically like your spirit guides are kind of in your life and they're like directing you, but you have like a library of like all your previous lives and there's somebody that's keeping a record okay, so who's?
Speaker 2:keeping the record. Though you're like akashic, like your spirit guide, you have like one specific person who kind of like, keeps all your records. Who's this?
Speaker 1:okay, step back totally, it's a lot what's a spirit guide?
Speaker 2:okay, so like we have people that kind of in every lifetime, come and kind of teach us lessons, okay, and kind of walk through our life with us sort of like the gut, so like in in, like, lord of the rings you get like I didn't see it, but I'm gonna trust you on this in the hero's journey, like as part of, like a plot yeah arc.
Speaker 1:Okay, there's usually like the wise guide, correct, and that's sort of. But like in our lives, yeah, okay, thank you.
Speaker 2:So like I was basically able to like ask like okay, whoever my designated spirit guide is, would like come forward and like allow this like organic crunchy right Reading. Okay, of like where my life needs to take place in this lifetime and like maybe some karmic lessons I have to learn from my previous.
Speaker 1:Okay, and what are you willing to share with us?
Speaker 2:about this. So we moved from Florida. Me and my husband moved from Florida last year and it was a karmic lesson for us to be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:Oh okay.
Speaker 2:So like we moved a very comfortable life, we moved to Nashville and it's been like a lot, like we moved a lot, like I've traveled for work a lot and like I had to be in this place of like I'm not comfortable to like learn karmic lessons from my previous life. It's a lot to unpack, like there's so much in the reading but like I'm into all of it. Where do you go to get the reading? So she went to my friend's house. So there was like the three of us sitting there, yeah, and my girlfriend Leah is the one who did the reading.
Speaker 2:We went to my friend Stephanie's house and we sat there and she just like basically has like your angels come around for you and she just like gets messages through her to talk about like your life and like your purpose wow and she told me my purpose is what I'm doing, which is hair.
Speaker 1:I I feel like that's accurate that summer and I were talking on the way over, we've got some background guests here. I love it summer. Our amazing friend yes, your husband, aaron. Um, we were talking on the way over about, like the fact that you have this job that's like hair, and you've just, I don't know, like it's just exploded, like it's super cool, like when I, 20 years ago, when I was assisting, I never thought my life would be where it is today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like traveling every month and like all my clients hanging out with me for a year while I did this back and forth like, and then building a book here in Nashville. I didn't see that, yeah, you know. So it's really cool and you had to get uncomfortable. I had to get uncomfortable like that which, for most people, is like. This is the thing.
Speaker 2:If you would have seen last year what it looked like like selling a house, selling a salon, buying more houses, moving five times you'd be like five times, yeah, whoa, okay, I only knew about like two, so we sold our place, yeah, and then that was a salon house okay, and then I moved into a salon and then we moved into a rental is this all in florida, okay? And then from the rental we moved into our first house in nashville. Yeah, then we bought a second house in nashville and now we're moving back into that rental when we go back to florida, back in are you moving?
Speaker 1:back to florida. Yes, okay, I didn't know that part. Yeah, so we're moving back to Florida. Yes, okay, I didn't know that part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're moving back this summer, wow, and then we're trying to figure out if we're going to buy in Florida, okay. So it's been a lot of moving. That's a lot.
Speaker 1:Are you keeping the houses here and just having them rented?
Speaker 2:Okay, first one, yes, okay, second one. I don't know that answer. Know that answer, but this is part of like the cool. Akashic reading was like I'm leaving it open, okay, I'm trying not to control everything that's. I think that's great, which is really hard for me like I'm super controlling type a like, I like a plan but like life isn't a plan, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, like, the things you see is not always what happens, right? So, like, the more you kind of like buck the system, the harder your life is, and that was kind of part of the reading. Yeah, like, be open to the unknown, still work hard, but like don't get in your own way.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think that's great advice.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm trying to take it myself. Yeah, right, you know it's hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like I I've, for the last year, had to learn to be like. I really like to be in control as well. Yeah, and that is just not what's going to happen for a while. And I keep telling my mom I'm like I would just like this to happen as I planned for it to happen, and well, yeah, you went through things that were not planned right and you had to roll with it. Yeah, I also, like I recently heard somebody say like the moment you're comfortable, yeah, like you should move on.
Speaker 2:I think it's true. I think we don't grow in the comfortable. I think we grow when we're like forced to, almost sometimes, yeah, and I think you get your best path and you learn the lessons you're supposed to, because you have to learn your lessons while you're here. Yeah, if you're not learning them, life's harder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean. You're just going to keep doing them over and over again, you do.
Speaker 2:I try to tell my clients that, like when they're behind, like I'm in the chair with them, and they're like listen, life is so hard and I'm like but are you?
Speaker 1:listening. Do you feel like you're sometimes like a therapist to your clients?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because I think I treat mine like a therapist. Yeah, totally, but like I think you have to be to be successful in the industry, like you have to learn how to listen and talk, give advice, but not take it home with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which is something I have a hard time with. I think I'm very sensitive. That's my biggest downfall Behind the chair. Think I'm very sensitive. That's my biggest downfall behind the chair.
Speaker 1:I'm very sensitive are you like an empath? Yes, me too right.
Speaker 2:So you like feel the energy, yes, and you're like I want everyone to be okay, but sometimes it's okay for them not to be yeah, that's like.
Speaker 1:So I work hybrid right now, okay, and I've found that, like, those two days at home are completely necessary. I think so because otherwise, by the end of the week, I found that like those two days at home are completely necessary.
Speaker 1:I think so because otherwise by the end of the week I'm just like super drained and I've always been like this. I just thought it was like I don't know, like the work itself or whatever. But I realize I'm like my mom always jokes that like people tell me things and I'm like I know things I'm not supposed to know for sure, like strangers will tell you stuff and you're like that's a great story, mary, but like I don't know you, I don't know how to help you through this.
Speaker 2:I wish the best for you in your journey, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just like my therapist was like think of it as like a sieve of like emotions and I'm like I wish I could say, that helped me.
Speaker 2:But I say that helped me, but I'm still like I don't understand, yeah, so anyway, yeah, okay, next question so that's my reading okay, okay, um.
Speaker 1:So if you could go relive any memory you've had, what would it be and why?
Speaker 2:okay, so I have two that pop up. We saw Foo Fighters in Grant Park for our honeymoon in Chicago in the pouring rain and that was insane how long have you been married? Uh, 11 years this year, yeah, and it was very cool. And then, um, I really was obsessed with Harriet the spy from Nickelodeon yeah, I was a kid and I thought I was gonna be a spy, so I used to spy on my neighbors when I was a kid, growing up like binoculars.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh yeah like I thought I was like so cool and like so suave and like nobody saw me, and my mom was always like, yelling at me, like please, get back in the house but like I loved it, the neighbors out. It was weird, for sure. But like I look back and I'm like that was so much fun, yeah, and I really believed I was gonna be.
Speaker 1:I mean, you could be and we'd never know, right. So Right, are you just covering it up?
Speaker 2:It's a segue into yes, that's my other profession, that's what we're really here to talk about yeah, for sure, so that's probably one of the good ones, yeah.
Speaker 1:I like that because I feel like, if you think back to what you loved as a child and are you doing that now or not? True, if you were doing more spying on the neighbors, would you be happier in your?
Speaker 2:life. Should I have been a PI? Maybe Is it still out of my cards. I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I think that you and Summer could create a PI business.
Speaker 2:I'm very down.
Speaker 1:Because when I need to know something about people, I go to her.
Speaker 2:I am so interested in everything. So, yes, I want to know all the things, so I could be an assistant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. I mean, why would you need to be an assistant? You could be a partner.
Speaker 2:I need a little bit more probably training than just what I knew from when I was 10, but I appreciate it okay well, summer probably needs official training too we do. We need official training. We're gonna get kicked out of the espionage school.
Speaker 1:I think it could be like a rom-com though oh yeah, it would definitely be a comedy yes yeah. I like that. Yeah, those are good memories um yes so, uh, what's an unexpected talent, like something that you can do, that you know and whatever think of, other than spying on people, I feel like that's my unexpected talent, I don't even know, um.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I feel like my unexpected talent that I would like love to actually use is I like doing like hair, of course, but I like everything. I like hair, makeup, outfit. Like when I look at somebody I can like see a vision. You know what I mean. Like it's kind of like when I watch music videos, like, or when I when I listen to a song I see a music video like I see the whole thing like what it looks like.
Speaker 1:So I feel like maybe that so you could look at me and be like Nicole, here's what you need. Yeah, I actually need that in my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like I would like love to go out with somebody. Be like okay, this outfit works for you. Like, yeah, makeup hairstyle.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, I love it oh, that, I mean, that is a talent.
Speaker 2:Thanks, because I don't have that at all it's like when you walk into a room and you're like, oh, I can see the potential here. You know what I mean? Yeah, like how to set it up? Like we went into a lot of bad houses and I was like some of them there's just no potential. It's a bad layout, but some of them have potential. Yeah, it's kind of like similar, like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's definitely a talent, so like I can go in and declutter and enjoy that okay but I can't always see the potential yeah, I like to clutter you like to clutter like I like things.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so I'm the opposite of you. I can declutter for you.
Speaker 1:That's great. I've been like on the fence about selling my house, okay, and I I'm okay sharing that now because I'm not planning to do it okay, um, but I, when the realtor was coming through, I was like I just I'm so excited to declutter, yeah, and I'm like I love it so much. She was like I could pay you for some of my clients.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And I was like I would enjoy that.
Speaker 2:It causes me to de-stress and I really like it To let go. Yes, yeah, it's a talent, for sure.
Speaker 1:My house is very decluttered right now.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Because I just kept doing it even after I knew I wasn't gonna.
Speaker 2:Oh, you did. You're like well, I'm already getting the ball rolling. Yeah, for sure, so it's been great. I love that. Yeah, I need to do some of that I can?
Speaker 1:maybe I can help you, thank you. Thank you, yeah, you're like just part and I'm like I cannot yeah, so okay, the next part. I have like these random questions, I know these have all seemed random, but these are ones I prepared a while ago and I don't remember what they say okay so it's even better okay, um yeah, let's see what I've got here. All righty, last week I forgot my bag over there and I was like, oh okay, I just had to come up with it are you a country or city person?
Speaker 2:I mean like obviously we live in Nashville right now, so I feel like my heart is drawn to a city, yeah, but like I feel like Nashville is like country and city, right it turns quickly into country.
Speaker 1:I feel like yeah.
Speaker 2:So I feel like it's like the best of both worlds, yeah, but I mean, like I love to go to like a cabin for a couple of days and go to a mountain, but then I'm a little bored and then I like to be in a city where I have a lot of like options.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm the same way, and.
Speaker 1:I've been like struggling with that because I'm like I need to own something in the city, okay, and then I need to own something in the country, yeah, but like think I just chill out when you're over stimulated here, exactly, yeah, yeah, because remember we were talking about we love Brentwood, yes, they've got like, but do we because it's a little spooky, yeah, and so it's like when I go there too much for work, yeah, it's like I'm I'm just like overstimulated, there's like so much going on there, yeah, and then I's like when I go there, too much for work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like I'm just like over stimulated. There's like so much going on there, yeah, and then I just want to like go to like a random cabin, which I have done, yeah, and in Alabama, and just no wi-fi. No, nothing, just me and my dog. Yeah, and I was like I'm so calm, but I couldn't be here more than a week wait, but like your story of you just going away yeah like your little ghost story was that in?
Speaker 2:a cabin in the middle of nowhere. No, that was in the middle of Little Rock okay, because that was very scary and that would make me not ever want to go.
Speaker 1:Okay, but there is a story at the Alabama cabin oh which I don't, it's not a ghost story. Okay because. Oh, which I don't, it's not a ghost story. Okay, because it can't be.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So it's like this cabin, it was like on a creek and it was like nothing around. Really it was like me and the dog and the dog's like mostly deaf by this point, right, and I was like it was after dark and suddenly I heard these like scratchy noises all over the room. No, and like it went on and on. I was like okay, like I have to let the dog out, and luckily it was like so deserted, I just like let him out and he would like come back and it was fine, okay. But when I would let him out, I'd be like is something gonna like jump down?
Speaker 1:on me, oh yeah and it happened both nights. I was there but I concluded like it had to be like a raccoon or a bat. But the reason I I'm like it's not a ghost story. My brain went to aliens, oh so.
Speaker 2:Well, that's not that far fetched, I mean, if you believe in aliens.
Speaker 1:I do believe in aliens.
Speaker 2:I mean, they might have talents. Yeah, so I feel like it was a bat or a raccoon, but I definitely.
Speaker 1:Googled like what is anama? That might climb on a roof because we needed to know.
Speaker 2:That's that like organized self of you that you're like. I just need to know so I can like put it in my brain yeah, but it's nothing, it's not right, it's nothing.
Speaker 1:I like to do that too, but I I sometimes feel like in this, even after, like I left little rock with that whole story which I can share. But like I kind of feel, like I like being a little scared, oh because then I leave and I feel more confident, oh, like I took care of myself.
Speaker 2:Okay, so like, maybe this is one of your lessons tell me more, be more like comfortable in this, like kind of a fear yeah, I could you know what I mean. Like, yes, I hate it. Like if you jump, scare me, I'm never talking to you again okay, I'm not doing, I'm not here for that, like I am not a person who likes to be scared, I don't want to be like, do not do that to me, because I'm like why would you do that?
Speaker 2:I'm so nice to you, yeah, why would you put me in pain?
Speaker 1:so, but maybe for you that's, you're uncomfortable maybe it is like I, I'm good you've been in these situations now a few times and it's within the last like few months. Yeah, but like I think, like the alabama cabin, I was like cool with that because I was just like the likelihood of this being something dangerous is like fine, okay, you know, like it's unlikely, and I got the dog, even though he's deaf, like right, he's still going out there all happy.
Speaker 2:Well then, he's not jump scaring you, no. So that's kind of good, right, yeah, but like so the little rock story, which is not good, which I love that one's freaky and I really like the airbnb.
Speaker 1:It was like in well, I'm not gonna say specifically what area just in case I got my little rock visitor right like listeners, um, but like all good all week, yep, and then it had. It was like an old old house yep and it had like that attic where you like pull down right and that was like closed all week. It freaked me out a little bit when I first got there, but I was like you're fine that's the spirit I'm okay with, but every horror movie has that, just so we.
Speaker 1:I know, but I don't watch horror movies, because I don't want to know these things you might need to next time. No, but like I searched the whole house as one does, and then the last night I took the dog out, yep, and I came back in and I checked the locks, I made sure it was all locked up and I go to bed, and like the attic was creaked open just a little bit and I was like it's fine.
Speaker 2:But it wasn't when you first looked.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't when I first looked, but I figured it was like airflow something whatever I was like I'm not touching that thing, which I don't know why. I didn't just close it, but I just was like I can't touch that in the dark. So I like go into my bedroom, I shut the door yeah, very tight and I like go to sleep and I wake up. I think it was like 4 30. I wake up and I like look, look at the door and it looks like it's creaked open and someone's looking at me.
Speaker 1:No, but the dog is trazodoned up at this point because, because he's got dementia and he can't sleep and so he couldn't do anything. I was like, oh crap, the dog can't protect me, yeah, um, and I quickly flip on the light and there's nobody there and I'm like well, I'm not leaving this room.
Speaker 1:So finally, at 6 30 I like get up and I open the door and the attic is creaked open even more and I go to the back door and it is unlocked and I just like I basically just was like in like I just got to get out of here mode, but very like calm about it totally. So I just started packing up and like when we were in the car I was like nothing happened, nothing happened. And then 24 hours later I told my roommate what happened. He was are you kidding me? And I was like he's like you know, someone was in that house and I was like no one was in the house.
Speaker 2:And he's like but the door was locked. Is your gut saying it was a person that's living amongst us, or is it a person who used to be living amongst us?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I have goosebumps and I don't know I have goosebumps and I don't know. I feel like you do know, I think it was a ghost. Yeah, totally so creepy, and I like definitely did what my mom always told me to do. I'd be like in the name of Jesus Christ leave me alone.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely, that's the least you could do right now.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. It was horrifying and like, like I had such a great week there and then I'm like I can't go back to that Airbnb. So wait, how many days were you there total? I mean, I got in on a Saturday and I left on a Saturday morning, so nothing happened till the last.
Speaker 2:Nothing happened to the last day and it was weird it was weird maybe your ghost was like over your stay maybe and was like please check out now. That might have been what it was okay, so like I have. I have people that have passed on that do come talk to me. It freaks out everybody, I know.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm thoroughly freaked out and I sleep with the tv on every night yes, because it's like a white noise and it kind of keeps things away. How does your husband feel about this? He hated it. When we first started living together he was like I cannot sleep with the TV. Now I feel like he kind of gets. Why? So?
Speaker 1:it's okay.
Speaker 2:But I've had, like I had a customer of mine and her and her daughter used to come into me and her mom passed away.
Speaker 2:So, the night before her memorial the next day she kind of came to me and her mom passed away. So the night before her memorial the next day she kind of came to me and they're always creepy in the corner of the room. Why you do this? Wait okay. So like, do you see them? It's weird. It's like sometimes like I can feel them. Okay, I can't always like see them, like how I'm seeing you but. I can like feel them, like their energy, like wakes me up.
Speaker 1:I've just got so many goose bumps and there's no, there's no talking.
Speaker 2:It's, it's literally like a communication, like maybe telepathy, I don't know, but it's like she said, or I sensed the word yellow and that was it. There was nothing else to say and I didn't know what that meant. So the next day I show up to the memorial and everybody's wearing yellow no so I tell her daughter who's my client.
Speaker 2:I'm like, okay, this is so crazy. But your mom came to see me last night and she goes what? And I go. And she told me yellow. And I don't know what that means. She goes, it's her favorite color. That's why we're all wearing yellow today. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:I just got chills too, but that was like there's been so many like people who have passed who've tried to talk to me and it's like they just basically want me to say like I'm okay In a sense, Like I know people are thinking about me, but it still scares the shit out of me.
Speaker 1:And I'm not okay.
Speaker 2:Nobody's like mean or aggressive and I honestly will be like, can you please just go away now Like I'm freaked out by it. But if the TV is off, somebody will come talk to me.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:I can't Okay Again. Somebody will come talk to me. Oh my gosh, I can't okay again. Since I was a kid, since you were a kid like I, had to start sleeping with a tv on when I was a kid. Oh, my god, my parents had to put a tv in my room because I was like I just can't sleep. That's so crazy, but I think we're all capable of this.
Speaker 1:I don't want to be capable of this right.
Speaker 2:No, it only really happens, if you're like open.
Speaker 1:I'm not open, so the more curious you get. Be careful because I'm curious, but I'm always like no, no, you know like I dip my toe in and I'm like I'm telling the universe, I'm not curious, I don't want no you're like no thanks no, thank you and like no, yeah, I um my dog passed away a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sorry and I that's how we connected was our old little grumpies, our little deaf babies very deaf and like the first week was horrible, of course. And then, like now, I just feel like good and I'm like, well, maybe he's still kind of here and like okay. So I always tease my parents like they, they kept all the ashes of their dogs, so does my mom, it's in just like the cupboards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's like up on the bookshelf, like here's our book and here's you know, maxie in trouble.
Speaker 1:So currently he is on my bookshelf, correct? And I was like, if I do sell my house, like is he just chilling, maybe On the bookshelf, maybe, and then Maybe this comes with the house, I like accidentally made a shrine for him, wait wait Accidentally.
Speaker 2:How does that happen? It just kept building.
Speaker 1:Wait, I love that An accidental shrine. It like Okay, so I have a painting of him. That I did a few years ago. I went to like a paint and wine thing with my friend. Okay, so it started with that.
Speaker 2:I'm like actually tearing up about your shrine okay, and then it, oh no.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get through it no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I feel every emotion for you right now.
Speaker 1:See empath I've realized through this whole thing I have a really dark sense of humor. They didn't know that it's helpful, no it. Then they gave me like a little paw print, oh yeah, and then, and then he was returned, and so he's in a little box, and then each of the vets sent me cards. I love that.
Speaker 2:And then I added his bow tie wow, this thing just spread man yeah, um, so that's where we're at I feel like the shrine must go with you too. I'm sorry, like you cannot leave this behind. I mean, I wish I could say this is weird, but like my mom also has a shrine of all of her and the picture frames up around the house, she actually has more dog pictures in her house than her children.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't have children, so I definitely have more. Well, wait so our pets get sent to us when we're not able to have children at that point in our, like our life so like yeah, your animal picked you he definitely did.
Speaker 1:He was supposed to be an emotional support dog and I became an emotional support, human, correct, same, he's very. He was very anxious, yeah, but he was like really special, very special. Yeah, his dog walkers would all like send me little things, being like I just feel so much better after spending time with Caffrey and I was like, well, you should be paying me. Yeah, okay, and his one dog walker, ed, from years and years ago in Minneapolis he like texted every year on Caffrey's birthday oh my gosh like happy birthday to my special friend.
Speaker 1:He was my last great memory in minneapolis um okay, our, our dogs are. We're very different oh really, what's your dog like?
Speaker 2:because you have great memories. Ours is like he's special. Oh no, as in tough okay he's, I mean kaffrey was tough in other like he had a lot of.
Speaker 1:He had a hate list, got it trucks, little children, rollerbladers, people on scooters in nashville oh, our list would be better to say what he did like, because it's much smaller so different, but okay, okay, yeah, I mean this is a long list. But yeah, he also didn't like a couple of my ex-boyfriends and I think he was like a pretty good judging character in that yeah, because I was like smart yeah I'm not gonna say who it was, but they know, you know we all know anyway, dog shrine, dog shrine, it's shrine, it's good.
Speaker 1:Okay, I want to move on to talking about your job a little bit. Okay, I had some other random thoughts, but we'll leave that. What do you do? I feel like we jumped right in.
Speaker 2:We know it's hair related, so I'm a hairstylist. I've been doing this for 20 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I used to take all my Barbies and cut off all their hair and then put them in the trash and, like, put tissues over the hair so like my mom wouldn't know she's like but your Barbies has no hair now.
Speaker 1:It's not grown back, so I like always loved hair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like when I watch a movie, like I am just like, okay, is that a wig, is that extensions? Like what kind of color is that? Like I love hair yeah. And I've gone through a couple times in like my career, where I was like, is this what I should be doing? Like I've questioned myself for sure, Because it's a hard job. How is it hard? You're basically like, like I have you know, before we left for Florida, I had 123 full time clients and so I feel like I had 123 mini bosses where, like every time they come in, I got to do the best job.
Speaker 2:It's not like you can just like do a great job in the morning and kind of coast for the afternoon, like every person right, like every person is like a job and you should do your best job.
Speaker 2:So it feels like there's it's exhausting at the end of the day because people tell me heavy stuff and people tell me good stuff. So like sometimes I leave and I need to just like like I'm a, I'm a cancer crab, like I'm a July birthday, so like I like to go back into my shell. Sometimes I'm like, okay, that was too much and now I need to go retreat, um, and then sometimes I'm like an extrovert and I'm like I want to talk and I want to know your story.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean but it depends kind of like how my day goes interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how do you like? How do you like unwind that when you get home?
Speaker 2:um, I like to just kind of sit like by myself, like not really like listening or watching tv or reading. I just like to like kind of zone out, it kind of helps me, like reconnect, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, I'm really curious about that because, like, that's been a challenge for me okay, okay. It's like getting home and then it's like, how do you, how do you turn your work brain off? For me it's like a lawyer or whatever, and I found it's like going on a little walk or something For sure, yeah, I mean like I think sitting outside is always like the go-to. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like we have an awesome backyard, so like if I can just sit out there with the dogs and like let them do their thing, and like knock it on social media. And yeah, because it's like social media is not even making us happy anymore. I think it's just like we're just naturally scrolling to do something yeah it's like a, it's a pastime, yeah, so it's like I'm not ever watching something, being like oh my god, this looks so amazing, or like they did such a great job.
Speaker 2:So for me I I even tell, like my husband, I like I think sometimes it's like nice to disconnect, because, like when it brings you joy, you should do those things.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But if it's not really bringing you joy, maybe it's time to just kind of like, do something else.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And sitting for 30 minutes with no phone, no TV is very, very hard. I'm a 37 year old adult. It's super hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean, that was why, like going to that cabin, I looked for like no Wi-Fi.
Speaker 2:But it's also like that's boring, but it's not.
Speaker 1:You need to be bored.
Speaker 2:I know, but we're so used to being overly stimulated that for me, with my job, I need that like underwhelming moment you know to like just kind of chill.
Speaker 2:Do you ever have a client? Do you ever fire a client? I have. I hate it. I hate it. I hate confrontation. Um, I kind of just blame me. Okay, I think the easiest thing to do is I think I'm not giving you what you deserve in this like appointment, and you're paying for something you should be happy, yeah. So I kind of like put it on me like I wish I could help you, but like, but like no one can retrospect, you're stressing me the f**k out. Yeah, and I don't look forward to seeing you because I can't make you happy, because it's really not even about your hair. Yeah, that's like the therapist part. Yes, so that's why my job is like you know, you're like riding a little bit of a roller coaster with it, because you just never know like, are you coming in happy today? Yeah, like if you ask me for a blonde pixie, I'm gonna say are we going through something?
Speaker 2:because you've never asked for that before right, yes, so like trying to read people is part of it, I think you know. So that's why I feel exhausted sometimes at the end of the day is it?
Speaker 1:I mean, how do you? I mean, I'm sure you have some way of like documenting all these things, but I've always wondered, like when I go to get my hair done I'm like, yeah, they remember me. Like sometimes they'll remember like my dog.
Speaker 2:I think hairdressers are just like a cool breed of people yeah because it's like when you love what you do, like I don't feel like it. There's no work involved in that aspect. Like I'm connecting'm connecting to you, you're coming in and spending your time and money with me. Like I'm connected to you for doing that. You know what I mean. So, like I know your story, you know.
Speaker 1:And like what personality traits do you think someone needs to have to like be hairstylist?
Speaker 2:I know a lot of introverted hairstylists that struggle. I could see that. So I feel like you kind of have to be a little bit of both. The biggest thing is you have to read a room Like you have to know when it's like time to listen and time to talk, because some people are very nervous sitting in front of a mirror. I could see that. It's like something I didn't really realize when I first started doing hair, but you'll notice like if you look at somebody in yeah and so like, maybe you carry the conversation a little bit more that day, and do you ever have.
Speaker 1:So there have been times where I'm like I just don't want to talk for sure, and I love that, so I'll go off your energy I've always wondered if that's like annoying to the hairstyles like that's part of reading the room. Okay, I like the current the lady I currently have because like one time we were like talking and then the next time I was just like really tired.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I just like sat there and she just did her thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I think, the beginning of an appointment. It's nice to talk. And then I'm going to feed off. You Like, if you're talking and engaging with me, I'm going to keep engaging you. But if you're kind of like just chilling or maybe you want to just like read your book like you should, it's your appointment time. I've always wondered. But I, um, I've always wondered. But I will say 99% of my clientele, yeah, we're talkers, are they?
Speaker 2:yeah, we like to talk, we like to catch up, I've also known them for so many years, so we, like, know everything about each other there was like one lady I absolutely loved and I would look forward to like talking to her each time, for sure, she had a very like calming energy, yeah, and so it was like it was just kind of nice to catch up, yeah, but but sometimes you just like are kind of having a day and you're like I don't want to do this, yeah, so how did you go from?
Speaker 1:you said you started as an assistant, for sure, and then now you run your own business, where you're flying back to Florida.
Speaker 2:I know so weird do people's hair like how do you?
Speaker 1:get there, and so when you, and also when you move to florida, are you gonna fly back to nashville?
Speaker 2:I don't know okay, I don't know that answer. I feel like I think it's been very difficult for me to be in two places. I I like to feel settled and I think being in two places has been kind of tough for me. It it's a learning, but I think for me, I think, focusing on Florida, with my clientele makes sense for this part of my life.
Speaker 2:I have really wonderful people that I've been doing their hair in Nashville, but I don't feel the same connection here. I feel like I've loved being at the salon. I've met the really most amazing girls, have just been helpful and there for me but, I don't feel like that's my journey, if that makes sense, like it's not like a against anybody thing. I just feel like my journey is in Florida yeah and I can't explain it because my journey was here last year yeah but that's being open, you know.
Speaker 2:So I don't know. I feel like maybe it's good to just focus on Florida and see what happens here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So when did you decide to like start your own business?
Speaker 2:Oh, I think I've been working for myself for like 15, 14 years.
Speaker 1:Is it hard to start your own as a?
Speaker 2:I think you get pushed into it in our industry, like I feel like you're working so much and you're making money for like your boss that you're just kind of like hey, can I kind of make more money for me right now? And so you start to go wait, I'm capable of running my own show and I was already doing the booking and the educational stuff and I had a wonderful mentor and when I told her I was like I think I'm ready to go on my own. She's like yeah, you are. And I'm like, oh, she's like, but I was waiting for you to say something interesting yeah, she's always been like her name's Jill.
Speaker 2:She's really cool and she's been like kind of like my spiritual, like guru. She's been like my mentor in the hair world and she's kind of like every time, like I said I'm gonna go buy my own salon, she's like you should. Did you have to buy it? So yeah, so we bought is a three-story work-to-live building oh and so the upstairs is where we lived, and then the bottom floor. I renovated it into a salon, a three-chair boutique oh cool, yeah.
Speaker 1:So like I had that for six years, did you? I mean, did you like it? The convenience?
Speaker 2:of that. I loved it, and then I started to feel like I missed the separation of work and home. Gotcha but. I loved it and it was during covid time okay so like it was very different than being in like a big salon with people like I kind of could just keep my stuff how I needed it to be yeah because, like everything was very specific on how to run a salon, right, so, like I loved it, yeah and so do you do what exactly like.
Speaker 1:Are you specialized in something?
Speaker 2:no, I do everything, but I love and I do a lot of extensions which I'm so curious about extensions.
Speaker 1:I love them because, like they changed my life, do you have?
Speaker 2:yes, my hair is like that long, like my hair is thin, it just doesn't grow, it's just boring.
Speaker 1:I always like, so I see women with this beautiful hair and I never thought.
Speaker 2:And then I was like why?
Speaker 1:is my hair not like that? And then someone hold a curl?
Speaker 2:yes, yeah, my hair doesn't hold a curl.
Speaker 1:My extensions do okay, is it healthy or unhealthy for your hair? It just kind of is.
Speaker 2:I think some people are not candidates for extensions, for sure, but there's so many different types of extensions that like if you go to somebody who does this often and you just start honest with them and be like listen, I want to add either length or volume, yeah, they should be educated well enough to say you're a candidate for a weft or a k-tip or whatever type of installation. I do everything because I also wear everything in my head. Like I can't get enough of extensions. So like I go to all the classes, yeah, and I did tape and extensions and I did individual keratin protein and now I do wefts and I love them. What, what is that?
Speaker 1:it's like it's a row of hair and then you put individual keratin protein and now I do wefts and I love them. What, what is that?
Speaker 2:it's like it's a row of hair and then you put a row of beads into your head and then you stitch the hair onto the beads, stitch the hair on. How long does that take to do? I'm quick, like yeah. I'm like very efficient, so like 30 minutes to put a row in.
Speaker 1:Seriously, yeah, okay it takes me so long to get my hair done well, I know.
Speaker 2:So that's one thing that my clients tell me is like you're very quick, like I like to talk, but I like to get like if somebody's running five minutes late, they all look like I'm gonna scold them. I'm like sit down, but I also run a crazy book when I'm in Florida, like if I'm there for nine days. I work nine days and I work from seven to seven.
Speaker 1:Where are you going back to your salon when you go? So?
Speaker 2:we sold my salon. So I'm at my girlfriend Erica's salon right now. And I have a suite and she just lets me kind of like, do my thing, come and go. She keeps my room for me when I'm not there. She's awesome. I've had a really good group of hairstylists in my life, community wise that I've just kind of always been like, yeah, do your thing yeah which is nice yeah yeah, um.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So you mentioned something about COVID and like stress on hair, yeah, and I really want to hear more about that because I feel like I'm losing hair everybody is everybody is, I feel like either you got the shot or you didn't get the shot, it did not matter yeah like everybody went through and I don't know if it was like stress induced or if it was because of covid, I couldn't tell you, but everybody has dealt with some type of hair loss yeah um, also, everybody's doing semi-glutide shots and they're not eating how they on it or taking the supplements for it so what is that like the ozempic?
Speaker 1:oh okay, I was like just like yeah, and I was like wait, I don't know between covid and then ozempic.
Speaker 2:Like everybody has had some one of them. So people are losing like weight, but they're also losing their hair. So covid, I think really just started this ball rolling of hair loss, like if you go online there's a million type of like hair supplements. Now that didn't really exist 10 years ago, people weren't talking about it and we should have always had them yeah, and is that like regulated, because I feel like a lot of supplements currently are not?
Speaker 2:they are not, but like neutrophil is like a really, really great one. I I love it personally, a lot of my clients are on neutrophil, but it kind of is like remember rogaine, yeah, okay. So it's the same thing like if you use rogaine or neutrophil or hers or any of these ones out there, you stop using them, say you take, you use it for like a year. It takes six months for your hair to go back to what it originally was before you started using it. Okay. So it's kind of things that you need to stay on for life, which is expensive yeah, so like is it okay?
Speaker 1:so if, what is it in the? Is it like nutrition?
Speaker 2:we're just not getting correct, like a lot of us. Like, um, I love like the b vitamins and the collagen and ashwagandha. Like if you were to take all those supplements separately super expensive, yes, but like if you take like a neutrophil. They're kind of like set up for how much you need per serving right for yourself.
Speaker 2:So we should all be on all these things that we're not we're not really getting, because a lot of people are just not eating enough like vegetables or fruits or proteins to kind of make up for that. So I think that has a lot to do with it too, but I think it's like, definitely environmental okay, because I feel like, so like I never noticed the the shedding are you shedding a lot not more than nor so.
Speaker 1:Like the first time I got my hair, yeah, died in like, because I didn't not really until like high, late high school or early college, and then it started and I was like, okay, if I had known that would happen. And maybe it was just kind of like a fluke timing or something maybe, but it definitely. I think it might be increasing.
Speaker 2:But I've also had a lot of stress so also we change, like our hair changes every seven years. It does yes, so like as we grow. Like our nose never stops growing, our hair changes every seven years. Like there's weird little things about it. So like if you look at somebody who lives a pretty healthy lifestyle, regardless, their hair's still gonna thin, still gonna get gray, they're gonna lose pigmentation in their hair, right, so you can do as much as you can to prevent some of it, but like it's inevitable.
Speaker 1:It's just yeah.
Speaker 2:But in our age bracket I think we're seeing way more thinning than I've ever seen 20 years ago.
Speaker 1:Interesting.
Speaker 2:Like clients that are in their 30s. I'm seeing personal too, Like I'm seeing way more shedding, way more thinning. And that's why I think hair supplements are really important right now. Okay, but also, like I brought my little yeah, let's see it, okay so. I'm obsessed with K18.
Speaker 1:K18.
Speaker 2:So this is about your molecular level of your hair. So there's Olaplex out there that rebuilds the bonds of our hair and we break apart bonds in our hair when we brush, color blow dry, just normal wear and tear. This is on a molecular level, so it's way deeper and it works in the first time and it only takes four minutes. It's very very cool.
Speaker 1:So like is it sorry, is it a supplement or something you put on your hair?
Speaker 2:it's something you put topically on your hair. Um, they do like shampoo and conditioner. I'm telling everybody you should be using something for like this, like if you're having hair issues yeah, use a k18.
Speaker 1:K18, and is it a particular brand or just this is their?
Speaker 2:brand. This is k18 is their brand okay, and they um, so this is like your molecular mask, so this is like a leave-in product. Um, olaplex is amazing and it's huge, but that's a different thing, like if you have really broken hair, from like bleaching or frying of the flat iron that repairs your bonds of your hair. This does deeper okay, yeah, so I'm, that's what I'm obsessed with right now.
Speaker 2:So if you had like one recommendation, is that what it would be I think so, like I'm a big component for like heat protection for our hair.
Speaker 1:Now, I was gonna ask you about that because I I try not to blow dry my hair very much. Yeah, I mean honestly like doing anything to your hair yeah causes damage or we've been walking around with dreadlocks, right, yeah so, like heat protection is my favorite favorite product ever.
Speaker 2:Like if you can only bring one product to like a deserted island. Bring heat protection okay, because it's like the sun and brushing and all that stuff, but like if you're having issues with your hair, look into like your k1818s, your Olaplexes.
Speaker 1:Interesting. Yeah, I love them. I never thought about the sun on your hair.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm always like every summer. I'm like I like how my hair just like lightens up in the sun, and now I'm like wait a second.
Speaker 2:Well, majority of people are dying their hair over the age of like 27, 28, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so like when you have like fake color in your hair, you got to protect it. How many people like? How many people do you think have like extensions versus like dyeing their hair and I mean if you're wearing extensions yeah 100%.
Speaker 2:You're dying your hair too. Okay, that's a lot. Majority of women, okay, are dying. And extensions, yeah, um, so like 99 I hate to say 100, but like 99 percent but um, yeah, I think most people are wearing extensions now because of what we've been through and also like social media has made everybody be like oh, I don't have enough hair.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's really important to share because it's especially women right yeah, because like what you're seeing, we all know what we're seeing is not like reality. But then sometimes I'm like, but like, how is it? How do you look so good still?
Speaker 2:yeah, because they're sitting inside in air conditioning and they've like flipped their head over and then flipped it back over, so it's really full yeah, right and, but that's not realistic.
Speaker 2:No, you know yeah so like I always tell people, like look at a picture, put your thumb over their face. Do you still like their hair or do you just like their Botox? You know what I mean? Oh my gosh. Yeah, like it's like easy to look at, like a Jennifer Aniston who like ages perfectly, uh huh, but like do you like her haircut and color or do you just like how she looks with it?
Speaker 2:yeah right, yeah, so like I always do that interesting yeah, I do. I put the thumb over the face and I'm like do you still like it?
Speaker 1:I still like your hair, it's great thanks, yeah, okay, let me see what else. I had for you okay, before I forget um, okay, what's? What would you say is like a failure that's occurred, like, whether it's in your work life or just in general, that actually turned out to be a blessing in your life.
Speaker 2:So I mean I've had a lot of failures, right, like when you own a business, there's like so many things that you could do in retrospect like better. But I feel like my failures have made me work harder, so like maybe I didn't align myself with the best boundaries with work. Yeah, um, I'm learning that. I think therapy is amazing love therapy yeah, I think everybody should do therapy.
Speaker 2:Um, so maybe like not creating really good boundaries. When I first kind of got my own business going like I would answer my phone at any time of the day and I would stress out about it, and now I'm like it's okay if on a Sunday maybe I just don't have my phone. Yeah, you know, and like honestly, if somebody's like having an issue or like an extension got pulled out or whatever, I can absolutely say to them hey, I totally like understand that this is kind of a problem for you. Tomorrow I will take care of it and I'll talk to you about it. And honestly, everybody in my book's like okay, cool, yeah, but that was an issue I think in the beginning was boundaries.
Speaker 1:Like worrying if you set them, it's like, oh, I'm going to lose somebody. Yeah, because you're scared, yeah.
Speaker 2:But like living in fear with that doesn't work for us, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to move us on. What are you obsessing over lately, other than the k18?
Speaker 2:because, okay, that's clearly so like I love my k18 I also am obsessed with the lip stain liners that people are doing?
Speaker 1:are you wearing it?
Speaker 2:yes, okay, okay. So this is awesome because, right, I talk so much that I wear everything out. So like you put this on and it's a liquid and it's a stain and it dries, and then you peel it off and it lasts for like 12 hours. You peel it off, yeah, like it's so cool, like it literally just looks like a stain and it doesn't dry out your lips or anything. It's the coolest thing ever, so I'm kind of obsessed with this.
Speaker 1:What brand is that?
Speaker 2:Amazon.
Speaker 1:Amazon? I don't even know. Like I just like liner stain and it's like big on instagram right now, so that's kind of something I love, and also ed the zebra I'm obsessed with ed the zebra, like it's my story. Yeah, where was he in uh rutherford? Yeah, yeah oh ed we love ed.
Speaker 2:I mean, how he got picked up and brought back was like that's iconic right there.
Speaker 1:Yes, who even thinks of doing like they knew to do that? I know Somebody has done this before. Correct, absolutely. Which we need to see more of like where has this been done before Just?
Speaker 2:clips of that but it was like a daily thing. I'm like did Ed get caught yet, or no?
Speaker 1:You know I loved it, we love Ed, so I'm obsessed with. I wrote it down so I would make sure I got it. I've been ordering pizza. Perfect, it's a I mean, it's a pizza place in nashville that I apparently had never heard of, okay, and they have this gluten, gluten-free blanc pizza, oh, and I think you're gluten-free.
Speaker 1:I'm gluten-free and it is so good, and especially good with a glass of red wine. Nice to the point where I'm like I think I have to delete my door because that's like all your, all your money, and I'm like once a week now, it's so delicious okay wait, are you adhd at all?
Speaker 2:uh, not, maybe because I read this article about people will eat the same things because it's such a comfort for people that are a little bit like adhd according to my therapist, I might have a tiny dabble in adhd right. I mean, is it?
Speaker 1:social media induced?
Speaker 2:I don't know but like I'll, I'll do the same thing. I'll like the same thing over and over again and then all of a sudden, I'm like repulsed by it.
Speaker 1:Yes, so I am that way, okay, yep yeah, also, if we're talking about things I'm obsessed with on that, it's like the protein balls from the new york butcher in nashville like I.
Speaker 2:I just can't oh, they're so good wait, where is that?
Speaker 1:um, it's in green hills. Oh okay, so delicious, all right, thank you, summer, for introducing me so good, that's awesome, um, but yeah, it's hard to have them in the house because I just eat them there yeah, I did have them, them for breakfast, okay.
Speaker 1:so this week's recommendations um, mine, yes, is so this is the final book in an electra, so electra mcdonald this is like the fifth book, cool, and it's by ashley weaver. I just randomly found this series at the library and it's so good because it's got like this strong female character. It's a mystery and I can't figure out the end, which is unusual for me, okay, and she's like an antihero, which I love yeah.
Speaker 1:Like. That's why I like. White Collar is one of my favorite shows Very cool. But yeah, so this is the last book in the series and I'm going to actually have Ashley Weaver on in a few weeks.
Speaker 2:Is she local?
Speaker 1:She's not local. I think she's in like Louisiana or Texas.
Speaker 2:Oh cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so super excited Awesome. I haven't read it yet, but I devoured the other ones in like a day or two.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yes, so that's probably what I'm going to do tonight.
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 1:no, because I had it yesterday who cares, it's fine it's great we're doing so good. Yeah, we are um. What do you have?
Speaker 2:okay, so every single one of my clients told me about this book and I am in the middle of that book. So so good, I was at target, I was checking out and there was two of these on the end cap by like this, like the lollipop soda or whatever, and I was like, okay, so I brought one home for me and my husband Aaron yeah and I was like let's have a book club while I'm away in Florida.
Speaker 1:It's a great idea, so I show up.
Speaker 2:I stay at my mom's and she's like I, me and your sister need to be in a book club too. So, like she ended up ordering my sister the book, her the book. Nobody's read up besides me and my husband, just for the record. But I love it. But I also love that I didn't realize, I guess, like the depth of it, because when people are talking about like, let them, yeah, the other part is to let you personally, let me so that's where I'm at in the book right now is I'm like okay, let them do them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't control them, which is a problem for me. I feel like this is a callback to the correct yeah don't you love like a full circle moment? Yes, so let them do what they're going to do, but also, like I have, to be okay with it.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And I have to be okay for me with my choices. And I think that's like kind of the hardest part right now in life, because as you get older there's just more things to let go, right, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, like I love the book, it's good, and her podcast is I haven't even listened to it yet, and I listen. I feel like they have a podcast specifically on the book that I haven't.
Speaker 2:I'm waiting to get through okay, cool, yeah, yeah, I'm super excited to finish it so good so good, um.
Speaker 1:So what are you looking forward to this week?
Speaker 2:okay, so my um, my mom and her boyfriend and my sister and her boyfriend and me and aaron are going to going to Vegas to see Kenny Chesney at the Sphere and celebrate her birthday. That's amazing, so I'm super excited.
Speaker 1:That's a great thing to be looking forward to. Yeah, I love that it's on the bucket list.
Speaker 2:We go around and we see different concerts at different venues and Red Rocks was, for sure, one of the top venues. Oh cool, I think that's amazing. But oh, cool venues, um, but the sphere is pretty new. Yeah, it is, so that became kind of on our bucket list.
Speaker 1:So I'm excited. That's so fun. Yeah, how about you? Um, I'm really excited because I have a painter coming to my house tomorrow and he's painting the stairwell. That has been like the bane of my existence for three years okay. So I'm really it's like a very steep thing and I'm like I can't do it gotcha and I finally just doesn't feel good, do it home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love anything to do with home renovation stuff.
Speaker 1:I'm definitely. It's definitely growing on me. Yeah, because I like ripped out the horrifying runners that were on my stairs and. I'm like this is a different house yeah and every time someone would come over I'm like I'm sorry about the runners and I was like these have to go like don't judge my runners yeah, so that's awesome. So thank you so much for being on the podcast.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me this was awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you, it was great, and I don't really know how to close this, so I was just I'm like great all right bye.
Speaker 2:And anybody who's not alive bye too.
Speaker 1:Oh my god do not come visit. She said she's not, I'm not open?
Speaker 2:okay, I might be, but we don't know all right, bye, okay, we're actually done now.
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